Turn on thread page Beta
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by HTale)
    Shut up
    Why? He started attacking me for no reason.

    --------------

    (Original post by bikerx23)
    my comment is qualified by my earlier argument, and, as said was a "safe bet" based on the lack of knowledge we have of the course involved... whereas yours was completely unqualified and therefore was not a contribution to the discussion.
    Unqualified? Mine was common sense - there's generally a reason why certain universities are top 10, and others aren't. If you can tell me where exactly I went wrong, I'm willing to listen because I'm applying for university next year and would like to learn about these things.
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by The Ace is Back)
    Why? He started attacking me for no reason.
    Apart from your snide and ignorant remarks over an occurance that will have a significant impact on the career and life direction of the person involved.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by bikerx23)
    Apart from your snide and ignorant remarks over an occurance that will have a significant impact on the career and life direction of the person involved.
    Would you advise someone (whose best interests you had at heart) to choose a top-rate university, or a second-rate one? The most honest advice you can give a person is telling them you think they've made a mistake when you think they have made one (especially when they've just asked). This is how people learn.
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by The Ace is Back)
    Unqualified? Mine was common sense - there's generally a reason why certain universities are top 10, and others aren't. If you can tell me where exactly I went wrong, I'm willing to listen because I'm applying for university next year and would like to learn about these things.
    Your comment may be perfectly acceptable for someone applying for undergraduate education, but for postgraduate studies these tables are less relevant, as just one tutor in your field can make your area of research extremely fruitful. This is why I claimed I would be unhappy to comment without knowing the nature of the study.

    For example, for my subject, Geology, UCL is not a very highly rated institution in comparison to other red-brick universities, but, in my intended specialisation, Volcanology, it is ranked second best in the country, and I believe in the top 5 in Europe.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by bikerx23)
    Your comment may be perfectly acceptable for someone applying for undergraduate education, but for postgraduate studies these tables are less relevant, as just one tutor in your field can make your area of research extremely fruitful. This is why I claimed I would be unhappy to comment without knowing the nature of the study.

    For example, for my subject, Geology, UCL is not a very highly rated institution in comparison to other red-brick universities, but, in my intended specialisation, Volcanology, it is ranked second best in the country, and I believe in the top 5 in Europe.
    Oh of course, I completely agree (my dad, who is an academic, keeps telling me these things) - but his question was about the university he is currently at, Plymouth. Did he make a mistake choosing that over a top-rate university because it was closer to his house? My answer - probably, yes.
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by The Ace is Back)
    Would you advise someone (whose best interests you had at heart) to choose a top-rate university, or a second-rate one? The most honest advice you can give a person is telling them you think they've made a mistake when you think they have made one (especially when they've just asked). This is how people learn.
    Your opinion is based on what is less accurate information for research, therefore your opinion of "best" universities is crucially flawed.

    --------------

    (Original post by The Ace is Back)
    Oh of course, I completely agree (my dad, who is an academic, keeps telling me these things) - but his question was about the university he is currently at, Plymouth. Did he make a mistake choosing that over a top-rate university because it was closer to his house? My answer - probably, yes.
    you honestly cannot know without knowing his course, but, admittedly it is not the emphasis he should have based his studies on, no.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    Thanks for those (few) people that posted helpful replies....the rest of the waffle I haven't bothered reading (and don't know why you bother posting it). Anyway, yes my course is a lot higher rated than the university in the league tables. Don't get me wrong, Plymouth is not a bad university at all (I would say above average), but because it is still fairly new, it can't expect to compete with the older universities.

    I was hoping Fluffy might reply with her opinion because I believe she did her BSc at Swansea before going to Oxford for her postgrad? I really want to know if she (or others) know of examples where people from universities such as mine that have ended up studying their postgrad at Ox/Cam. I am pretty sure (from all results so far) that I will get a first, which I assume is one of the requirements for acheiving such a thing.

    Thanks guys
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    EDIT - I've just read the post above and I don't really want opinions on whether I made a mistake going to Plymouth. I can't change that and after having the great time I have, I don't think I would change it if I had another chance. However, I do want to know if this will hamper me in having a real chance of studying a postgrad qualification (hopefully PhD) at Oxford or Cambridge (assuming I get a first). I doubt it would make much difference, but in addition, I am not a student straight from college, I am a mature student that went back to education after 3 years working as an IT engineer for the government.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    You are much moe important than what uni you wnet to...

    In the 2nd round interviews for the D.Phil I ended up accepting, I was the only non-OxBridge candidate still standing... I was offered it an hour after my interview (I was at Swindon train station at the time, waiting for my connection!).

    --------------

    Out of D.Phil'ers I was close to, there were graduates from:

    Oxford, Cambs, Lancaster, Keele, Brookes, UEL, Swansea (in my grad year at Swansea year 5 out of 20 of us went on to do a DPhil at Oxford), Gimpers, Napier, UCL, Notts (I think that covers a lot of my social circle...)
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Fluffy)
    You are much moe important than what uni you wnet to...

    In the 2nd round interviews for the D.Phil I ended up accepting, I was the only non-OxBridge candidate still standing... I was offered it an hour after my interview (I was at Swindon train station at the time, waiting for my connection!).
    Wow, you must have really of impressed them! :eek: I bet you're pretty proud of yourself for that Are the interviews for a PhD along the same lines of a job interview, or are they more informal? Thanks!

    --------------

    (Original post by Fluffy)
    Out of D.Phil'ers I was close to, there were graduates from:

    Oxford, Cambs, Lancaster, Keele, Brookes, UEL, Swansea (in my grad year at Swansea year 5 out of 20 of us went on to do a DPhil at Oxford), Gimpers, Napier, UCL, Notts (I think that covers a lot of my social circle...)
    Ah that is good to know. I was under the impression they wouldn't be too keen on anyone that doesn't have strictly the right background. They obviously have sense and go more on the person's talents
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    I had 2 sets of Oxford interviews, and 1 set of Cantab (got offered all 3, so a very lucky girl).

    The D.Phil I accpeted was by far the most rigourous interview process (Zoology Dept). The Biochem interview was just 1 interview, the zoology one was to give a 20 minute presentation in front of the whole unit, then a panel interview, then 2nd interview which was a panel interview.

    The other 2 were just panel interviews.

    So yes - more like a job interview than anything you might have experienced for getting into uni the first time round.

    --------------

    (Original post by nikk)
    Ah that is good to know. I was under the impression they wouldn't be too keen on anyone that doesn't have strictly the right background. They obviously have sense and go more on the person's talents
    Indeedy. Emma (the girl from UEL) has to be, with out question, one of the most intelligent people I have ever met. Mind blowing. Very, very sharp...
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    I was also wondering about this... is it actually more difficult to get into oxbridge for a PhD or for an undergraduate course? I'm hoping to go to Imperial (dont like university in Madrid)... therefore, from what I've read in this thread, I would have an opportunity if I get a first! However, if it's more difficult to get into Oxbridge as a postgraduate (you have even talked about 2nd round interviews! :eek: ), then do the people rejected by Oxbridge as an undergraduate stand a chance?
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    It depends on how you look at it. In terms of applications per place and a more level playing field, I would say D.Phil is more competative than BA, but then again, that's subject dependent... There were nearly 100 applicants for the D.Phil I ended up doing... Compare that to the 2-10 applicants per place most BAs attract...
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    Thanks so much for your help Fluffy! I have to go now (I have an appointment with a surfboard lol), but you have been really helpful!
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    ok--- as well, another question, to do a PhD, do you have to work before? Or do you just apply after you've finished your degree? (included Masters)
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    Providing I graduate with a first and I have an outstanding dissertation to show them, would graduating from the University of Plymouth prevent me from gaining a PhD place at either Cambridge or Oxford?
    Can't comment on the situation in the arts/humanities, but in the department I work in at Cambridge, there are plenty of PhD candidates and postdocs who did their undergrad at universities outside the top 10 (whatever that means). If you're en route to a first and write a sensible initial email, most supervisors will almost certainly give you the time of day/an interview.

    In general (IME, caveat lector, etc. etc.), having lab experience in your subject beyond university practicals is the single best way of making your application stand out from the lowing herd of Firsts, particularly if you've got some publications to go along with it. Time spent working in a good group, academic or industrial, will be looked on extremely favourably, especially if you haven't done a long lab-based research project in the course of your studies.
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by jonnyofthedead)
    In general (IME, caveat lector, etc. etc.), having lab experience in your subject beyond university practicals is the single best way of making your application stand out from the lowing herd of Firsts, particularly if you've got some publications to go along with it. Time spent working in a good group, academic or industrial, will be looked on extremely favourably, especially if you haven't done a long lab-based research project in the course of your studies.
    Agreed - I had 13 months of lab experience with what was then GlaxoWellcome (I took a year out of my degree and did a self organised Industrial Year), and got a few publications out of it. I was offered every PhD/D.Phil I applied for, and I'm 110% sure that is why...
    Offline

    14
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by nikk)
    I was accepted into a couple top ten universities but decided against them, and am now wondering if that was a big mistake...
    (Original post by nikk)
    I don't really want opinions on whether I made a mistake going to Plymouth.
    Sheesh, some people.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    ok--- as well, another question, to do a PhD, do you have to work before? Or do you just apply after you've finished your degree?
    Most people go straight from BA or MWhatever to PhD, but you certainly don't want to apply after you've finished your degree if you're going to do this. As with all postgrad stuff, the rule of thumb concerning applications is 'the sooner, the better.' Figure out which areas you want to work in and which groups are doing good stuff in those areas. Then write to the academics running those groups maybe 9 months ahead of your desired start date, so if you want to start in September/October, you'd want to initiate contact with prospective supervisors around December of the preceding year. This isn't essential - I dithered over my application, and was thinking of taking a year out - but it's certainly the most sensible approach.
    Offline

    12
    ReputationRep:
    ok fine... so I have to apply BEFORE finishing my degree? I thought some work experience gave you a better chance of getting in!
 
 
 
Poll
Do you have a role model?

The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

Write a reply...
Reply
Hide
Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.