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(Original post by jammyd)
A foetus is a foetus, the name is there for a reason. A human is a human. Is that clearer?

But people talk about human foetuses, no?
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But a person on life support is usually unlikely to recover, and the means of keeping them alive are wholly artificial.
It's true the foetus could not survive without its mother (up until a certain time) but this is a natural and transitory phase we all go through rather than an attempt to prolong life with a machine.
true. but is it your right to force someone to carry what is essentially a parasite
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(Original post by jammyd)
A foetus is a foetus, the name is there for a reason. A human is a human. Is that clearer?
A child is a human, an adult is a human. They are just different stages of development.
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(Original post by hitchhiker_13)
But people talk about human foetuses, no?
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(Original post by Bigcnee)
A child is a human, an adult is a human. They are just different stages of development.
is a sperm a human then? its a stage of development.
bet you don't think of that when u wack off
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(Original post by Bigcnee)
A child is a human, an adult is a human. They are just different stages of development.
Our opinions regarding abortion obviously differ.
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(Original post by hitchhiker_13)
My point was that these are really the only points that are definite, if you know what I mean. I'm not explaining myself well.
There is no specific age at which a foetus can suddenly survive outside the womb - it depends on technology available and the individual child. What I was trying to say that it is tricky to determine any other specific point, and that at this stage, the embryo has all the neccessary potential to become human life.
It has potential. That doesn't mean it is. I have the potential to become a brain surgeon. That doesn't mean I am now.

And you said the exact words yourself - that early in pregnancy it's only an embryo, can't remember the transition point, but it's not even a foetus at that stage. A "bunch of cells" is an innaccurate description, as they are ordered, but they are not anything recognisably human.
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is a sperm a human then? its a stage of development.
bet you don't think of that when u wack off
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A sperm, on it's own, will not become a human.
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(Original post by jammyd)
Our opinions regarding abortion obviously differ.
Fancy that.

This is why these internet debates are utterly pointless.
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(Original post by hitchhiker_13)
But people talk about human foetuses, no?
Good point, it hasn't won me over though.
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(Original post by Bigcnee)
A sperm, on it's own, will not become a human.
a foetus on its own will not become a human. it needs a human female, just like a sperm needs an egg.
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(Original post by foolfarian)
is a sperm a human then? its a stage of development.
bet you don't think of that when u wack off
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Thats genius.
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(Original post by foolfarian)
a foetus on its own will not become a human. it needs a human female, just like a sperm needs an egg.
A child needs support to survive. I don't get your point.
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A sperm isn't a stage of development as no growth occurs with a sperm on its own. :rolleyes:
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It has potential. That doesn't mean it is. I have the potential to become a brain surgeon. That doesn't mean I am now.

I never claimed that it was. But I do think potential is important. If you have the potential to become a brain surgeon, then you are entitled to the opportunity to become a brain surgeon, even if you don't want to avail of it.
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I never claimed that it was. But I do think potential is important. If you have the potential to become a brain surgeon, then you are entitled to the opportunity to become a brain surgeon, even if you don't want to avail of it.
Well put.
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(Original post by jammyd)
Thats genius.

It's not genius, it's just funny.
Sperm is just a cell that does not develop any further.
An embryo in the right conditions will grow into a human being.
Surely you see the distinction here even if you don't see the foetus as a human being?
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(Original post by Bigcnee)
Well put.
Thank you.
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(Original post by hitchhiker_13)
I never claimed that it was. But I do think potential is important. If you have the potential to become a brain surgeon, then you are entitled to the opportunity to become a brain surgeon, even if you don't want to avail of it.
Indeed. So stop masturbating and go knock up a townie girl or two.
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(Original post by hitchhiker_13)
It's not genius, it's just funny.
Sperm is just a cell that does not develop any further.
An embryo in the right conditions will grow into a human being.
Surely you see the distinction here even if you don't see the foetus as a human being?
Well.....I found it an amusing point.
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