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The act states something like.. if mother's health (mental as well as physical) would be at risk by carrying the baby, and 2 doctors agree, then it's allowed.

And mental health would certainly be risked if you were told no to an abortion!! There's no sense in forcing girls to have babies just because they messed up (or accidentally got into that situation).

Foetuses can't be brain surgeons. Especially not any foetus of mine as I would never be able to afford the top up fees for a medical degree!!!

Personally, I wouldn't be able to go through with an abortion. I am rather careful so I don't think I'll be in this situation anytime soon, but if I WAS, I'd seriously think about keeping the baby.

Though at the end of the day this is all (I'm assuming..) hypothetical, and said knowing full well that I DO use contraception and AM careful - I don't imagine I'm going to get pregnant unplanned any time soon and so it's easy for me to say i would keep the baby. I would possibly feel very different if I actually found out that I was pregnant..
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Isn't that supposed to happen now, consent from 2 docters before an abortion goes ahead?
I don't think it has a damn thing with what a couple of GP's happen to think is "good for you" What the hell qualifies them to dictate how a woman must live her life?

And what if they won't give someone wanting an abortion their "blessing"? Surely, that's going to open the door to the backstreet abortionists isn't it?
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I don't think it has a damn thing with what a couple of GP's happen to think is "good for you" What the hell qualifies them to dictate how a woman must live her life?

And what if they won't give someone wanting an abortion their "blessing"? Surely, that's going to open the door to the backstreet abortionists isn't it?
However. For eg.. you could be a doctor and a 17 year old girl could come to you, and be pressured by a load of people (father, parents..) to have an abortion. It's important for you to then have the overriding ability to say no in a case like this, or at least give the girl more time.. because at the end of the day it would be her decision, and not allowing her to make up her own mind would be bad.
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I dont agree with them, because to be honest, unless under exceptional circumstances, if girls are stupid enough to get themselves pregnant, they should do what any responsible person (assume they are responsible if they feel they are ready to have sex) should do and PAY THE CONSEQUENCE. ie keep the baby and raise it. The baby has done nothing wrong and deserves life. Yes, i know, im not in that position, and as someone else sed i may possibly feel different if i were to be in that position, but i feel im responsible enough to have sex, therefore you should be respnsible enough to use contraception. I also feel the fathers should be shamed upon, because the girl very often gets 90% of the blame, and is severely shamed upon.
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And what if they won't give someone wanting an abortion their "blessing"? Surely, that's going to open the door to the backstreet abortionists isn't it?
Do you believe in "shoot-up" clinics?
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I dont agree with them, because to be honest, unless under exceptional circumstances, if girls are stupid enough to get themselves pregnant, they should do what any responsible person (assume they are responsible if they feel they are ready to have sex) should do and PAY THE CONSEQUENCE. ie keep the baby and raise it. The baby has done nothing wrong and deserves life. Yes, i know, im not in that position, and as someone else sed i may possibly feel different if i were to be in that position, but i feel im responsible enough to have sex, therefore you should be respnsible enough to use contraception. I also feel the fathers should be shamed upon, because the girl very often gets 90% of the blame, and is severely shamed upon.
Well, if they're "stupid enough to get themselves pregnant" they're obviously cannot be expected to "do what any responsible person..........should do"
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Do you believe in "shoot-up" clinics?
I'm not familiar with that term. What is it?
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Well, if they're "stupid enough to get themselves pregnant" they're obviously cannot be expected to "do what any responsible person..........should do"
Good point, but you know what i mean, lets not go picking holes lol
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I'm not familiar with that term. What is it?
Basically it allows drug addicts access to drugs in a safe environment.
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Basically it allows drug addicts access to drugs in a safe environment.
I don't often consider it. How does it relate to doctors giving their consent to an abortion?
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I don't often consider it. How does it relate to doctors giving their consent to an abortion?
It relates to the time-old:

"If they're going to get it done in back-alleys then we might as well make it legal", bulls***.
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(Original post by Howard)
I don't think it has a damn thing with what a couple of GP's happen to think is "good for you" What the hell qualifies them to dictate how a woman must live her life?

And what if they won't give someone wanting an abortion their "blessing"? Surely, that's going to open the door to the backstreet abortionists isn't it?
they don't tell them to have an abortion. they simply either give their permission or not for it to go ahead
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It relates to the time-old:

"If they're going to get it done in back-alleys then we might as well make it legal", bulls***.
I assume you object.
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I assume you object.
Would you accept "shoot-up" clinics?
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It relates to the time-old:

"If they're going to get it done in back-alleys then we might as well make it legal", bulls***.
they are giving access to clean needles rather than drugs themselves.
It's cheaper to do that than to treat the extra HIV and HepB patients that come with needle sharing.
Not to mention the random viruses that wipe out drug users (example lots of drug users died in glasgow a few years back)
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they are giving access to clean needles rather than drugs themselves.
It's cheaper to do that than to treat the extra HIV and HepB patients that come with needle sharing.
Not to mention the random viruses that wipe out drug users (example lots of drug users died in glasgow a few years back)
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I'm not saying I don't think it's a good idea.
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they don't tell them to have an abortion. they simply either give their permission or not for it to go ahead
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I didn't say they do or don't tell them to have an abortion.

But surely to God their is a causal link between the decision made by the good doctors as to whether you are permitted or not permitted to have one and the future path of your life.

I just don't see why a doctor, a medical specialist, should be granted a judicial function in deciding what one can and cannot do with one's body.
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Would you accept "shoot-up" clinics?
I suppose.
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I suppose.
I thought you were pretty conservative.
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I thought you were pretty conservative.
Well, I guess I am. But even I would prefer certain facilities be put aside to assist the homeless and those with addictions etc (If only for selfish reasons.........I get extremely annoyed having to step over wino's on my way into the theater)
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