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Eien in Oxbridge rejects thread
Got rejected for Japanese... was really disappointed since I thought I had a chance with relatively few students doing Oriental studies. Not to blow my own trumpet, but these are the reasons why I thought I at least had a fairly good chance (chances are most people here are high achievers even if they considered applying) but I had A* in a Japanese GCSE after starting in year 10 (and I only have one lesson a week at another school, reflecting my true passion and interest in the subject, which I tried to portray anyway in the interview) and I had 10 A*s, 5 As at A-Level and predicted AAAAA. I also won the JSA Japanese speech contest in 2005, a foreign language poetry competition in 2003 in Japanese, and I had 300/300 at AS. While naturally I thought I could have done better at the interview, I think I put across what I wanted (i.e. passionate about the course, ready to learn more but already had good knowledge) and I answered all questions at least fairly well at worst, and intelligently at best, (only one I couldn't answer "what is another example of a dying metaphor"). I also study french and english whose skills complement oriental studies.


After being recently rejected from Oxford to read Japanese, I was wondering whether to apply again. I was considering whether SOAS is a better choice since it is specialised in asian studies, whereas oxford is not (particularly, relative to other subjects) and I can also study Japanese and Linguistics @ SOAS, whereas at Oxford I could only study Japanese. One reason (although I may be wrong) why I thought I was rejected was perhaps that I came across as wanting Oxford for it's quality and prestige, rather than its course in particular, and perhaps this came across in the interview. Also there's the "crawling back" factor by reapplying to uni's that I would have declined and then reapply as my second choices. Personally I believe I should go for the course at SOAS since I can expand my career opportunities and attend a specialised university, but does anybody know from experience whether a gap year and an Oxford degree would be worth trying for again?

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Reply 1

If you think that you could’ve done better with your application then definitely reapply. Take a gap year, go to Japan (i'm spending time there :biggrin: ) and reapply, unless the course at SOAS is more to your taste.

Reply 2

All the people I know doing Oriental Studies at Cam wish they'd gone to SOAS, and in fact do but just for supervisions.

Reply 3

Ask your tutor to see your interview feedback; it'll hopefully give some clues about why you were rejected. My old japanese teacher also works at SOAS and is really really cool. It's certainly a great place. The only problem they have though is apparently loads of people drop out cos they find japanese/chinese much more difficult than they imagined. God knows why, nihongowa totomo yasashii to omou!

I don't mean this in an insulting way, but i've also heard that oxbridge, soas etc don't put so much weight on high grades in japanese at gcse and a level, and even expect near perfect scores if you've taken it, cos it's a really easy subject to do well in. I did both gcse and as level japanese myself, with just one hour per week tutoring for the latter, and i'm inclined to agree. Although 300/300 is impressive- i only managed 281 :sob:

Overall though, it sounds like you had a really strong application, and you could stand a very good chance if you reapplied. Alternatively, you could go to japan, and find someone to pay your way through university over there! When i was last in japan, i met a really drunk businessman who offered to pay my way through university and then a job at matsushita working for him! But i think that was more the alcohol talking, considering his friend dragged him off about 30 seconds later :rolleyes:

Reply 4

homoterror
All the people I know doing Oriental Studies at Cam wish they'd gone to SOAS, and in fact do but just for supervisions.


Do you know why?

Reply 5

teaching i think

Reply 6

Eien
Personally I believe I should go for the course at SOAS since I can expand my career opportunities and attend a specialised university.


I think you have your answer. If you'd only be reapplying to Oxford (and going if you got an offer) for the prestige when you'd actually prefer the course at SOAS, it seems silly, and I don't mean to be a pessimist, but you might get rejected again and then you'll have wasted a year. Obviously it's up to you though- if you really want Oxford, get feedback to find out where you went wrong, try to correct it and take a gap year so you can reapply, preferably spending at least some of it in Japan.

Reply 7

Do you want Oxford or Japanese? Personally I'd go with SOAS, it's THE place to learn Japanese.

Reply 8

Hashshashin
Do you know why?

The resources for oriental languages and culture etc are better at SOAS (apparently the Oxbridge students end up having to go to the SOAS library to pick up books)

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Eien
After being recently rejected from Oxford to read Japanese, I was wondering whether to apply again. I was considering whether SOAS is a better choice since it is specialised in asian studies, whereas oxford is not (particularly, relative to other subjects) and I can also study Japanese and Linguistics @ SOAS, whereas at Oxford I could only study Japanese. One reason (although I may be wrong) why I thought I was rejected was perhaps that I came across as wanting Oxford for it's quality and prestige, rather than its course in particular, and perhaps this came across in the interview. Also there's the "crawling back" factor by reapplying to uni's that I would have declined and then reapply as my second choices. Personally I believe I should go for the course at SOAS since I can expand my career opportunities and attend a specialised university, but does anybody know from experience whether a gap year and an Oxford degree would be worth trying for again?

I don't have the experience you mention, but definitely SOAS. Not only are you likelier to get in, it's also far better for Japanese. And most employers etc. should know that SOAS is the place to go for oriental languages, not Oxford.

Reply 9

Eien
only one I couldn't answer "what is another example of a dying metaphor"


See George Orwell's "Politics and the English language" http://www.resort.com/~prime8/Orwell/patee.html for more on dying metaphors.

Reply 10

fundamentally
See George Orwell's "Politics and the English language" http://www.resort.com/~prime8/Orwell/patee.html for more on dying metaphors.

You have to know that kind of stuff to do Japanese?!

Reply 11

Does it mean a metaphor which is dying out, or a metaphor relating to dying? Given the context I'd be inclined to pick the latter, seeing as death poems were quite common in premodern Japan.

Reply 12

Gravastar
Does it mean a metaphor which is dying out, or a metaphor relating to dying? Given the context I'd be inclined to pick the latter, seeing as death poems were quite common in premodern Japan.

Probably more the former over the latter, I would imagine..

Reply 13

Don't forget to consider where you'll be living for 3 years - London is vastly to different to Oxford. More bustling, noisier, arguably more inpersonal or to turn that on it's head livelier, better night-life etc.. Accomodation in London, from what I have seen, is worse for the money than Oxford so take that into consideration.

Both courses, from my research, are superb. If you prefer the SOAS course and would like the live in London, go for SOAS. If you prefer the SOAS course but would hate to live in London, my advice would be to not go to SOAS, you won't be happy living in a place you dislike even if you love the course.

So basically my advice is - both courses look very good, both universities are extremely well respected for those courses, so go for the place you would prefer to live.

Reply 14

tax.man
Don't forget to consider where you'll be living for 3 years - London is vastly to different to Oxford. More bustling, noisier, arguably more inpersonal or to turn that on it's head livelier, better night-life etc.. Accomodation in London, from what I have seen, is worse for the money than Oxford so take that into consideration.

Both courses, from my research, are superb. If you prefer the SOAS course and would like the live in London, go for SOAS. If you prefer the SOAS course but would hate to live in London, my advice would be to not go to SOAS, you won't be happy living in a place you dislike even if you love the course.

So basically my advice is - both courses look very good, both universities are extremely well respected for those courses, so go for the place you would prefer to live.


I already live in London, so it's no problem, I wouldn't mind living in either place, although SOAS is more convenient, and I love the city of London, although Oxford is a more peaceful agreeable place, both places are even on that front.
Also, I knew what dying metaphors were, I just couldn't think of an example of one off the top of my head - I think we needed to know them because it was based on an article about the evolution of the english language, therefore assessing general language skills by analysing the effects of society upon an ever-changing language. Dying metaphors are indeed those that are dying out as being perceived as a metaphor and are becoming more literal - e.g. "Stand shoulder to shoulder with" - it used to be a complete metaphor, but now it's sense is half-literal - it was explained in the article I was given.

Reply 15

Eien
After being recently rejected from Oxford to read Japanese, I was wondering whether to apply again. I was considering whether SOAS is a better choice since it is specialised in asian studies, whereas oxford is not (particularly, relative to other subjects) and I can also study Japanese and Linguistics @ SOAS, whereas at Oxford I could only study Japanese. One reason (although I may be wrong) why I thought I was rejected was perhaps that I came across as wanting Oxford for it's quality and prestige, rather than its course in particular, and perhaps this came across in the interview. Also there's the "crawling back" factor by reapplying to uni's that I would have declined and then reapply as my second choices. Personally I believe I should go for the course at SOAS since I can expand my career opportunities and attend a specialised university, but does anybody know from experience whether a gap year and an Oxford degree would be worth trying for again?


Considering the course you wish to study and the subject field in general, SOAS is an excellent choice.

I know that if I were rejected from Oxbridge, I would not bother reapplying because I couldn't be bothered with a 'waste' of a year and the end possibility facing me that I still might not get in anyway.

However, IF u do reapply, I would advise applying to Cambridge instead (if they do the course you want), the 2 rival universities have a tendency to accept an excellent candidate the other rejected- A prime example being the case of Anastasia Fedotova, a pupil rejected in 2001 by Brasenose college. After receiving 6 A's in August, she took a gap year and applied to Cambridge, where she successfully managed to read Mathematics there.

Hope that helps and good luck with your choices x

Reply 16

Eien
I already live in London, so it's no problem, I wouldn't mind living in either place, although SOAS is more convenient, and I love the city of London, although Oxford is a more peaceful agreeable place, both places are even on that front.
Also, I knew what dying metaphors were, I just couldn't think of an example of one off the top of my head - I think we needed to know them because it was based on an article about the evolution of the english language, therefore assessing general language skills by analysing the effects of society upon an ever-changing language. Dying metaphors are indeed those that are dying out as being perceived as a metaphor and are becoming more literal - e.g. "Stand shoulder to shoulder with" - it used to be a complete metaphor, but now it's sense is half-literal - it was explained in the article I was given.

How about 'hand in hand' then

Reply 17

Gravastar
Does it mean a metaphor which is dying out, or a metaphor relating to dying?


Neither.

It is a metaphor that has been so overused that it has largely lost its value as metaphor.
Eg: Achilles heel , heart of gold.

Orwell invented this term.

" there is a huge dump of worn-out metaphors which have lost all evocative power and are merely used because they save people the trouble of inventing phrases for themselves. Examples are: Ring the changes on, take up the cudgel for, toe the line, ride roughshod over, stand shoulder to shoulder with, play into the hands of, no axe to grind, grist to the mill, fishing in troubled waters, on the order of the day, Achilles' heel, swan song, hotbed . "
Orwell in Politics of the English Language.
http://www.resort.com/~prime8/Orwell/patee.html

Reply 18

The Ace is Back
The resources for oriental languages and culture etc are better at SOAS (apparently the Oxbridge students end up having to go to the SOAS library to pick up books)

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Oh dear, i thought that the oriental studies course looked quite good at cambridge. :frown: Is that the case for all oriental studies subjects as just a few areas like japenese?

Reply 19

[QUOTE="crazy_muse"]
The Ace is Back
The resources for oriental languages and culture etc are better at SOAS (apparently the Oxbridge students end up having to go to the SOAS library to pick up books)

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Oh dear, i thought that the oriental studies course looked quite good at cambridge. :frown: Is that the case for all oriental studies subjects as just a few areas like japenese?

The oriental studies at Cambridge isn't brilliant, but you might want to do it for either the Oxbridge experience or for the prestige.

No idea to be honest. By oriental I only meant Chinese and Japanese anyway.