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Is getting a 2:2 a useless grade?

What do employers think of that grade? When i was looking for job vanacies for my work experience, i noticed almost everyone wanted a minimum 2:1, if that is the case, does it make 2:2 pretty much useless?

Reply 1

AT82

No a lot of employers will take a person with a 2:2, it depends onthe course and the university largely though.

However the biggest factor is the person. Employers hire people not degree certificates.

Reply 2

nikk

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Ivor Biggun

What do employers think of that grade? When i was looking for job vanacies for my work experience, i noticed almost everyone wanted a minimum 2:1, if that is the case, does it make 2:2 pretty much useless?

It depends on the employer's opinion. If you posted a poll here, some would say it is worthless, others wouldn't. Employers are only normal people, and will have their own opinion. There isn't one answer that stretches across the board.

Reply 3

Ivor Biggun

OP

so say someone does get a 2:2, will that person have to do a lot more voluntary work and other work to boost there personal profile?

Reply 4

Poica

14

To make the application more impressive, I'd say it was probably a good idea.

Reply 5

RK

TSR Community Staff

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AT82

No a lot of employers will take a person with a 2:2, it depends onthe course and the university largely though.

However the biggest factor is the person. Employers hire people not degree certificates.

I wouldn't say 'not a lot of employers', I'd say it's more the top employers wanting people with 1st and 2:1 as they just want the very best. For a general job with an average company person with a 2:" will easily be considered for a job. Obviously they may lose out to a person with a 2:1 or 1st if they come across as the poorer candidate, but really a person with a 2:2 shouldn't have much difficulty getting a job which is somewhat better than if they had no degree. It won't often be a top job, but they can always wok their way up through proving they are hard working and good at the job.

Reply 6

Poica

14

I think he really meant "No, a lot of employers" rather than a typo and saying "Not a lot of employers"

THIS is why punctuation is important people!

Reply 7

Steve Stifler

Ivor Biggun

What do employers think of that grade? When i was looking for job vanacies for my work experience, i noticed almost everyone wanted a minimum 2:1, if that is the case, does it make 2:2 pretty much useless?

I hope not! :laugh:

Reply 8

RK

TSR Community Staff

22

Poica

I think he really meant "No, a lot of employers" rather than a typo and saying "Not a lot of employers"

THIS is why punctuation is important people!

Right, I just thought there was a missing 't' rather than a missing ','.

Amazing how that small change can completely change the meaning of the sentence :biggrin:

Reply 9

Dynamic_1

1

A 2.2 from a Russell Group elite university is far more impressive than a 2.1 at a former polytechnic. It depends on the course content too.

Reply 10

AT82

Dynamic_1

A 2.2 from a Russell Group elite university is far more impressive than a 2.1 at a former polytechnic. It depends on the course content too.

That statement is far too general to have any meaning. It depends on the course.

Going to a good university and a good grades mean you have a much better chance of getting through the CV filter but once you've got an interview the person matters far more than anything else.

Employers want people that fit into the team and will work to the companies ethos.

I personaly would much rather hire a person with a 2:2 from MMU who was witty, had lots of experience and made me laugh than a person with a 1st from Oxbridge who was dull as tap water and had no real world experience.

Reply 11

nikk

15

My opinion is that, a 2:2 will not stop you from getting the job if you impress the employer. However, since virtually everyone has a 2:1, you may find it harder to get that chance in interview if you only have a 2:2.

Reply 12

MattG

1

i think with teaching you only require a 2:2, dont quote me on that tho.

I think the argument about russell group 2:2 against 2:1 polytechnic is true in some areas, of course its not the end all as relevant experience is extremely important

Reply 13

awkward_eagle

1

nikk

virtually everyone has a 2:1

Obviously a statement not to be taken literally

Reply 14

Tarts_n_Vicars

13

awkward_eagle

Obviously a statement not to be taken literally

True but I would have thought the majority of uni graduates would have a 2:1 with smaller proportions having firsts and 2:2s.

I wouldn't say a 2:2 is useless but I would wonder whether you'd have been any worse off going straight into industry rather than spending 3 or 4 years at uni. That of course depends on whether the job you want is degree specific, i.e. Architecture etc.

Reply 15

FabulousFortune

yer pretty much, so many people have degrees now a 2:2 isnt really anything special

Reply 16

nikk

15

awkward_eagle

Obviously a statement not to be taken literally

No, but I would imagine that 60-70% of graduates achieve a 2:1. I'd be interested to know the stats actually...

Reply 17

Dr. Blazed

16

It's unlikely that you're going to get a job in a Magic Circle law firm with a 2:2, but it's perfectly possible to get a decent role with prospects in smaller companies without a first or 2:1.

Reply 18

RK

TSR Community Staff

22

Maybe this should be for another thread, but if so many people are getting a 2:1, wouldn't it be a good idea to split the '2nd' classification up even further? So we may have a 2:1(a), 2:1(b) and a 2:2? I mean we seem to get a very wide range of abilities in that category: those who are low end first students who just missed out, those who are solid 2:1 students and those who were high end 2:2 students who performed well on the day(s). Maybe so distinction between these should be made.

Reply 19

nikk

15

Roger Kirk

Maybe this should be for another thread, but if so many people are getting a 2:1, wouldn't it be a good idea to split the '2nd' classification up even further? So we may have a 2:1(a), 2:1(b) and a 2:2? I mean we seem to get a very wide range of abilities in that category: those who are low end first students who just missed out, those who are solid 2:1 students and those who were high end 2:2 students who performed well on the day(s). Maybe so distinction between these should be made.

I agree completely. I have heard people say many times that some employers look back at A-level results to try and distinguish between the flood of people with 2:1s. I don't think that is entirely fair and agree with your suggestion.

Is getting a 2:2 a useless grade?

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