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Is getting a 2:2 a useless grade?
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Reply 60
in my opinion a 2:2 is useless, you wont get any interviews. perhaps if you do a good course at an ok university and get a 2:2 ule pull it off. just do a good course, a traditional one that employers value, ie Law
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Reply 61
A useless grade? Not at all! My brother graduated from Glasgow with a 2:2 in geography, he's now a teacher on a good wage. 
A lot of it depends on the uni though. My other brother got a 2:1 but this was a degree from the APU in Cambridge, which is one of the crappiest unis in the country.
A lot of it depends on the uni though. My other brother got a 2:1 but this was a degree from the APU in Cambridge, which is one of the crappiest unis in the country.
Reply 62
Depends on the course too!
A 2.2 in a well respected subject such as Maths, Physics, Chemistry, Economics, Law, Computer Science from a Rusell Group university is worth much more than a 2.2 achieved at a less prestigious university.
Entrance requirements at the Russell Group universities tend to be very high, with most achieving A and B grades in their subject of study. Where as somewhere less prestigious you may have students who have achieved a D or E or much worse totally failed and gone via clearing, either done a foundation year or simply accepted by the admissions because the universities' need to fill their places.
There are alot of people who fail to realise how competitive the graduate recruitment process is. A 2.1 certainly makes it easier and top a-level grades in the traditional subjects, internships, work experience, extracurricular activities and most important of all you the person how you present yourself to the employer at interviews is what makes all the difference.
Entrance requirements at the Russell Group universities tend to be very high, with most achieving A and B grades in their subject of study. Where as somewhere less prestigious you may have students who have achieved a D or E or much worse totally failed and gone via clearing, either done a foundation year or simply accepted by the admissions because the universities' need to fill their places.
There are alot of people who fail to realise how competitive the graduate recruitment process is. A 2.1 certainly makes it easier and top a-level grades in the traditional subjects, internships, work experience, extracurricular activities and most important of all you the person how you present yourself to the employer at interviews is what makes all the difference.
Reply 64
AT82
That statement is far too general to have any meaning. It depends on the course.
Going to a good university and a good grades mean you have a much better chance of getting through the CV filter but once you've got an interview the person matters far more than anything else.
Employers want people that fit into the team and will work to the companies ethos.
I personaly would much rather hire a person with a 2:2 from MMU who was witty, had lots of experience and made me laugh than a person with a 1st from Oxbridge who was dull as tap water and had no real world experience.
Going to a good university and a good grades mean you have a much better chance of getting through the CV filter but once you've got an interview the person matters far more than anything else.
Employers want people that fit into the team and will work to the companies ethos.
I personaly would much rather hire a person with a 2:2 from MMU who was witty, had lots of experience and made me laugh than a person with a 1st from Oxbridge who was dull as tap water and had no real world experience.
made you laugh, maybe if you were looking for a comedian but otherwise most employers would want people who are smart and can just do the job, something getting a 2.1 from a decent uni shows.
Reply 65
MattG
i think with teaching you only require a 2:2, dont quote me on that tho.
I think the argument about russell group 2:2 against 2:1 polytechnic is true in some areas, of course its not the end all as relevant experience is extremely important
I think the argument about russell group 2:2 against 2:1 polytechnic is true in some areas, of course its not the end all as relevant experience is extremely important
I'm not sure of the situation now, but my mum is a teacher and she only has a 3rd. She says it's because she met my dad a few months before her finals.
It probably depends on whether you have a degree in a high-demand subject. I mean, loads of people do psychology at uni, so for a psychology graduate to stand out, they would probably need a 2:1, preferably from a good uni. With more undersubscribed degree subjects, such as chemistry and modern languages, there aren't as many graduates, and so it's not so much of an issue. You need lower grades to do French at university than English lit, and it's not because French is easier. It's because loads of people want to do English at uni, and not so many people want to do French. So if you're applying for a job where you need a languages degree, employers might not be quite so picky.
Experience and personality with a 2:2 (i.e. a personality fitting to the job) is almost certainly more important to employers than a 2:1 employee with nothing more to his application than that grade. If you don't interview well, it's probably more important to get a 2:1, but otherwise a 2:2 probably would be fine.
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