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    A few Churchill quotes:

    "I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes." House of Commons, 1919, on use of mustard gas against Iraqi women and children

    "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
    Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937 (both American Indians and Aborgines of Australia were brutally exterminated in genocide by British Imperialists)

    "One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations."
    Churchill in Great Contemporaries, 1937

    "This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
    Writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920
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    Just thought I'd note that the German racial and ethnicity based ideology and research into a master race started in eugenics labs in the USA.
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    (Original post by Pete_Lawton)
    Just thought I'd note that the German racial and ethnicity based ideology and research into a master race started in eugenics labs in the USA.
    Yep, and first enacted by the likes of Sweden, Australia and Canada.
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    (Original post by Hanvyj)
    I don't know when this happened, but the estimated 1930s population was 2 billion. According to you he killed half the worlds population.
    Yeah, the OP's proposition is complete emo warlocks.
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    (Original post by rohitbd)
    Today in history we had too chose who we thought was the most evil leader throughout the 20th century and unsurprisingly most chose Hitler or Stalin, but as me and my friends were googling who we thought were the most evil we came upon this page.

    "Who was worse, Hitler or Churchill?
    Who was worse, Hitler or Churchill?
    Hitler was responsible for deaths of 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, and millions of other people.
    Also, he had concentration camps and was a racist, but he modeled his policies on another abominable racist, who inspired him and his crimes - on Churchill, and British rule of India (that Hitler intended as a model in his brutal oppression of the Slavs and Jews).

    Churchill was responsible for starvation of 7 millions of Indian people, while British rule is responsible for genocide that resulted one billion of Indian lives lost. Churchill was unashamed racist, was in favor of use of poison gas on "uncivilized tribes" (Hitler used Zyklon B on Jews, and British used mustard gas on Iraqi women and children). British invented concentration camps in the Boer war, killing women and children. Hitler imitated British in every way, but racist theories and policies, implemented by Churchill in during and after WWI, and in WWII are of British origin. Hitler spared what he hoped to be his potential allies in Dunkirk, but Churchill believed higher race are British, not all Germanic people. He killed millions in firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin and many other cities. Both Churchill and Hitler were in favor of eugenics.

    Hitler was a kindly man, vegetarian who didn't drink or smoke. He suffered from flatulence.

    Churchill was an ill tempered alcoholic, who smoked fat cigars and held his meetings in nude.

    Roosevelt was against both Third Reich (that he fought against and helped Russians beat the Hitler) and atrocious British Empire (that, mostly thanks to Roosevelt, also dissolved after the WWII). He was a great US president, and is universally respected.

    Death toll:

    Hitler and Nazi Germany : 30 million (6 million in direct genocide)
    Churchill and British Empire: 1 billion (7 million Indians in one genocidal incident alone, rarely mentioned today)

    Both Churchill and Hitler were racists, for eugenics, use of poison gas and concentration camps, Hitler in fact emulated Churchill.

    Yet due to propaganda, their images are distorted.

    Both were clearly criminals. Can you objectively say which one was THE greatest criminal of the 20th century - Hitler or Churchill?
    Clearly, both were racist, Churchill even to greater extent than Hitler, but Churchill managed to get his record cleared from history textbooks. Does that censorship make him a better man?"

    I know that Hitler was a evil man, and this person calling him a kindly man has something wrong with him, but is our perception of Churchill totally wrong because before today me and most people though of Churchill as an inspirational leader who thought against racism, but this page begs to differ.
    Where do you read most of this crap?
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    I'm related to Winston Churchill but I'd still find the argument complete *******s. Most of the Indian famine occurred before Churchill came into office!

    sorry - WHO the **** is negging me for saying Churchill was better than Hitler? ****ing Nazi freaks.
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    (Original post by rohitbd)
    Today in history we had too chose who we thought was the most evil leader throughout the 20th century and unsurprisingly most chose Hitler or Stalin, but as me and my friends were googling who we thought were the most evil we came upon this page.

    "Who was worse, Hitler or Churchill?
    Who was worse, Hitler or Churchill?
    Hitler was responsible for deaths of 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, and millions of other people.
    Also, he had concentration camps and was a racist, but he modeled his policies on another abominable racist, who inspired him and his crimes - on Churchill, and British rule of India (that Hitler intended as a model in his brutal oppression of the Slavs and Jews).

    Churchill was responsible for starvation of 7 millions of Indian people, while British rule is responsible for genocide that resulted one billion of Indian lives lost. Churchill was unashamed racist, was in favor of use of poison gas on "uncivilized tribes" (Hitler used Zyklon B on Jews, and British used mustard gas on Iraqi women and children). British invented concentration camps in the Boer war, killing women and children. Hitler imitated British in every way, but racist theories and policies, implemented by Churchill in during and after WWI, and in WWII are of British origin. Hitler spared what he hoped to be his potential allies in Dunkirk, but Churchill believed higher race are British, not all Germanic people. He killed millions in firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin and many other cities. Both Churchill and Hitler were in favor of eugenics.

    Hitler was a kindly man, vegetarian who didn't drink or smoke. He suffered from flatulence.

    Churchill was an ill tempered alcoholic, who smoked fat cigars and held his meetings in nude.

    Roosevelt was against both Third Reich (that he fought against and helped Russians beat the Hitler) and atrocious British Empire (that, mostly thanks to Roosevelt, also dissolved after the WWII). He was a great US president, and is universally respected.

    Death toll:

    Hitler and Nazi Germany : 30 million (6 million in direct genocide)
    Churchill and British Empire: 1 billion (7 million Indians in one genocidal incident alone, rarely mentioned today)

    Both Churchill and Hitler were racists, for eugenics, use of poison gas and concentration camps, Hitler in fact emulated Churchill.

    Yet due to propaganda, their images are distorted.

    Both were clearly criminals. Can you objectively say which one was THE greatest criminal of the 20th century - Hitler or Churchill?
    Clearly, both were racist, Churchill even to greater extent than Hitler, but Churchill managed to get his record cleared from history textbooks. Does that censorship make him a better man?"

    I know that Hitler was a evil man, and this person calling him a kindly man has something wrong with him, but is our perception of Churchill totally wrong because before today me and most people though of Churchill as an inspirational leader who thought against racism, but this page begs to differ.
    Hahahahaha, Source?!?! :rofl:

    India did not have that many people back then so I have no idea which retard came up with that figure.
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    He is definitely a hero. There is even a Cambridge College named after him, and a well known insurance company. I do not think that there is a Hitler College or Hitler insurance company anywhere in the world...ohhh jajajajaja....ohhhh neinneinneinneinnein

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    Some of the other comments and answers to the same 'question' are equally funny/deluded: here
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    What the OP quoted is clearly written by an Indian. Probably some BJP-supporting retard who thinks that all of India's problems are caused by the British or the Muslims. Ten a penny.
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    (Original post by Lady Gaga's Bottom)
    I was agreeing with you until you said that.
    :five: Down with that sort of thing. Yay for the Nottingham Irish too.
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    The 1 billion figure is supposedly demographic deaths, it includes all the possible descendants that would have come from the people who died, so that figure will just keep rising exponentially. It's a stupid argument really, it's a bit like saying the crusades killed a billion trillion people, because by now there could have been that many descendants from those killed, but there obviously wouldn't be.
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    (Original post by Craig_D)
    :hand: Not in all cases, many still understand that a lack of action to save someone isn't the same as a direct action with the intention of killing someone.
    There wasn't a lack of attempt to save them though was there?
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    (Original post by SatanIsAwesome)
    There wasn't a lack of attempt to save them though was there?
    Depends which way you want to look at it, on the one hand there were the maize imports and a repeal of the corn laws by the government, on the other hand the maize was inedible, and the policy of forcibly exporting food - even from the areas with the worst poverty - was continued. Irish people generally tend to exaggerate how bad (and genocidal) the government's actions were, while British people can overestimate how much the government were willing to help. The British government were at best apathetic. I don't however think it was due to a government plan to exterminate the Irish, like many Irish people argue it was; at the same time there was the Highland Potato Famine affecting Scotland and North England, where the government did equally little to aid the suffering. It wasn't about nationality, the Victorian era government didn't care about any of the lower classes, they were predominantly fat cats interested only in lining their own pockets.
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    Hitler was not a vegetarian, it's a myth.
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    (Original post by rohitbd)
    Wow if thats true, my perception of Gandhi was totally wrong.
    Gandhi is not the saint he is made out to be. He's been made into a flawless hero by the media, but he had his faults. Racism was among them. And various dubious practices as sleeping nude in a bed with his teenage neices, he also tried to leave his wife destitue 3 times and so on. I'm not saying he was a bad man, by no stretch of the imgaination, but he was no saint.
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    (Original post by James82)
    A few Churchill quotes:

    "I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes." House of Commons, 1919, on use of mustard gas against Iraqi women and children

    "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
    Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937 (both American Indians and Aborgines of Australia were brutally exterminated in genocide by British Imperialists)

    "One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations."
    Churchill in Great Contemporaries, 1937

    "This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
    Writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920
    Better to use gas and save men. And the prescribed quote is as regards combatent tribes, if the gas was inadvertantly used on women and children, that was never the aim.

    And he makes a point that every Socialist on TSR will agree with. Personally I disagree to an extent. But at the same time his attitude was normal for the time, if you had the power and incling to take an area that was inhabited by far less advanced tribes, then you could do so. That was the whole ethos of Colonialism.

    Again, a perfectly reasonable quote. Hitler united many of the German people in feeling proud to be German again. After WWI Germans were ashamed of themselves, Hitler took that away, he gave them pride, strength and self respect as people and as a nation. Ultimatley he led them down the garden path, but I completly agree with the quote.

    And he is remarking on Communism here. And the fact that so many Communist leaders were of Jewish descent, which is true enough.
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    (Original post by Craig_D)
    :five: Down with that sort of thing. Yay for the Nottingham Irish too.


    HIGHHHH FIVEEEEE!
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    Has anybody hilariously answered "oh yes" like that dog on the commercial yet?


    If not, "oh yes", like that dog on the commercial.
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    (Original post by cambio wechsel)
    Has anybody hilariously answered "oh yes" like that dog on the commercial yet?


    If not, "oh yes", like that dog on the commercial.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltn04zRd3yQ
 
 
 
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