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Oxbridge vs. Ivy League
I know that admission statistics are different, but in the U.S. the applicant pool is larger + they seem to give stats alot of attention according to an interesting article I read concerning how they skew the numbers in their favour.
So please none of that. Its boring.
Clearly they are all good institutions.
To the average person (who will employ you), which is better?
Let the games begin.
So please none of that. Its boring.
Clearly they are all good institutions.
To the average person (who will employ you), which is better?
Let the games begin.
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Given all UK universities are publicly funded and the US set up is privately financed, there really isn't any comparison...
That said, if you want to get by on brain power alone, rather than ability to pay, you can't beat a bit of OxBridge! It has history, something the US could never achieve...
That said, if you want to get by on brain power alone, rather than ability to pay, you can't beat a bit of OxBridge! It has history, something the US could never achieve...
I suppose you have a point, on the other hand I've always had the impression that the U.S.'s anglophilic tendencies have always kept oxbridge very high in terms of rep.
I think in terms of quality of graduate, as opposed to the quality of reseach these places churn out, oxbridge has the edge because of the skills in reasoning and quick thinking that the tutorial/supervision system gives students. At the end of the day, for most jobs, it is the skills rather than the knowledge that you gain from the degree which is most important.
I think for undergrad, you can't really beat Oxbridge - the tutorial system has no competition from any available from the top American universities, where class sizes can be huge for some of the most popular courses. However, for graduate studies, it is probably different. I am of course biased though!!!
I am a bit envious of the whole 'liberal arts' set-up though - much as I love PPE, it would be nice to do a bit of English and History at university too. This is something you can do in the States. That said, your specialised knowledge at the end of an Oxbridge course will be far more advanced (I would have thought).
For international reputation, Oxbridge still I think holds a very high position. In the US I would say that Oxford has a definite edge in terms of name recognition - though why I'm not so sure. Maybe just more exposure in the media than Cambridge (from Brideshead to Harry Potter), or maybe Americans sometimes mistake 'Cambridge' as meaning Harvard/MIT.
You've got to remember also that the big American universities have far, far better resources. They can afford the best facilities and can lure the best academics with the best salaries. Given this disadvantage, Oxbridge does pretty well for itself. But if Oxbridge wants to remain at the top of the world rankings in the next century or so, it needs to go some way towards where the American universities are now.
I am a bit envious of the whole 'liberal arts' set-up though - much as I love PPE, it would be nice to do a bit of English and History at university too. This is something you can do in the States. That said, your specialised knowledge at the end of an Oxbridge course will be far more advanced (I would have thought).
For international reputation, Oxbridge still I think holds a very high position. In the US I would say that Oxford has a definite edge in terms of name recognition - though why I'm not so sure. Maybe just more exposure in the media than Cambridge (from Brideshead to Harry Potter), or maybe Americans sometimes mistake 'Cambridge' as meaning Harvard/MIT.
You've got to remember also that the big American universities have far, far better resources. They can afford the best facilities and can lure the best academics with the best salaries. Given this disadvantage, Oxbridge does pretty well for itself. But if Oxbridge wants to remain at the top of the world rankings in the next century or so, it needs to go some way towards where the American universities are now.
I don't really know but I would love to go to MIT...
Just to have a chat with Chomsky and and maybe an argument (although I bet he gets a lot of it from random Political Science students).
Just to have a chat with Chomsky and and maybe an argument (although I bet he gets a lot of it from random Political Science students).
morgangills
I don't really know but I would love to go to MIT...
Just to have a chat with Chomsky and and maybe an argument (although I bet he gets a lot of it from random Political Science students).
Just to have a chat with Chomsky and and maybe an argument (although I bet he gets a lot of it from random Political Science students).
Yeah, and he's a professor of linguistics. He actually has a team of students he employs to reply to emails for him.
MB
musicbloke
Yeah, and he's a professor of linguistics. He actually has a team of students he employs to reply to emails for him.
MB
MB
That quote "arguably the greatest intellectual alive" is actually in reference to his linguistics work, not his American foreign policy and political stuff...
El Chueco
How can Americans confuse Cambridge as Harvard/MIT? I know they are American but still... how?
because they are lead by an idiot who said: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we" ?
tom391
I think for undergrad, you can't really beat Oxbridge - the tutorial system has no competition from any available from the top American universities, where class sizes can be huge for some of the most popular courses. However, for graduate studies, it is probably different. I am of course biased though!!!
I am a bit envious of the whole 'liberal arts' set-up though - much as I love PPE, it would be nice to do a bit of English and History at university too. This is something you can do in the States. That said, your specialised knowledge at the end of an Oxbridge course will be far more advanced (I would have thought).
I am a bit envious of the whole 'liberal arts' set-up though - much as I love PPE, it would be nice to do a bit of English and History at university too. This is something you can do in the States. That said, your specialised knowledge at the end of an Oxbridge course will be far more advanced (I would have thought).
I think oxbridge will go more in depth. Liberal arts is fantastic (also has small classes) for breadth which is important but depth can't be there - it's normal for students to change majors in their 3rd year (out of 4)!
That said, if I was planning a degree and then a grad degree, liberal arts would be the (expensive) ideal - breadth and then depth. And not specialising at once and studying both sciences and arts can be hugely beneficial.
For most jobs, what would be seen as better? I would like to go to an ivy league uni...
Harvard would obviously be well-known as the best university across the world, but Oxbridge definitely have almost as good, if not an equivalent, reputation. It's not really going to make much difference.. Harvard or MIT might just tip things in your favour, but otherwise go with whichever you feel you'd enjoy most. The employer would have to be a bit of a r*tard not to know that Oxbridge are two of the best places in the world. Some might even think Oxbridge are better..
If you want to go somewhere incredibly rich, with state-of-the-art facilities, first-rate research across the board and a nametag employers would kill for - go to Harvard.
But if you want all those things and the experience of a lifetime, go to Oxbridge.
But if you want all those things and the experience of a lifetime, go to Oxbridge.
The Ace is Back
Harvard would obviously be well-known as the best university across the world, but Oxbridge definitely have almost as good, if not an equivalent, reputation. It's not really going to make much difference.. Harvard or MIT might just tip things in your favour, but otherwise go with whichever you feel you'd enjoy most. The employer would have to be a bit of a r*tard not to know that Oxbridge are two of the best places in the world. Some might even think Oxbridge are better..
I would have thought that an employer would probably simply accept that youve gone to one of the top unis in the world, whether its oxford, cambridge, harvard or another ivy league. In some careers it matters whether or not youve gone to one or other of these, especially investment banking where i think an american uni has slightly more prestige (whether its under or postgrad), but that may simply be more internationally rather than in the uk
I'm sure I'd find some way to discriminate between two candidates that would not involve the university they attended.
Otherwise, take both.
Otherwise, take both.
Appling for a job in the UK I wonder how:
a) Employers rate somewhere like (say) Caltech, which has an awesome rep in the US, but is not so well known here.
b) They compare ___cum laude/GPA to degree class
a) Employers rate somewhere like (say) Caltech, which has an awesome rep in the US, but is not so well known here.
b) They compare ___cum laude/GPA to degree class
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