Why I think the death penalty should be reintroduced

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Really, I think it brings more suffering to be in prison for life than to be executed.
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Oh no, not again.

Long story short: certain fundamental human rights are universally applicable to everyone or they are invalid for everyone, and this includes the right to life; it does not cost less to execute people than to imprison them for life; it does not serve as a deterrent for the crimes it is used to punish; it is a form of vengeance rather than justice; innocents have been executed in the past and will continue to be until it is unilaterally abolished; it is a permanent sentence that cannot be reversed - posthumous pardons are useless.

That about covers it.
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Murderers and rapists and child fiddlers should be executed in my opinion.

I dont care if its "humane" to keep them alive, they took someone elses life, or psychologically hurt someone for life, justice must be brought to them.

Why waste taxpayers money in keeping these scum eating and breathing.

They should only be put to death when the evidence is stacked against them or they admit that they did it. What happened to the good old days when there was no political correctness and hard justice.
You want to go back to the good old days? Shut the hell up. You'd get there and cry that you wanted a fairer justice system, instead of one that cut your head off for even the mere suggestion of a problem with the Monarch or Parliament.
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(Original post by mrwhatwhat)
Murderers and rapists and child fiddlers should be executed in my opinion.

I dont care if its "humane" to keep them alive, they took someone elses life, or psychologically hurt someone for life, justice must be brought to them.

Why waste taxpayers money in keeping these scum eating and breathing.

They should only be put to death when the evidence is stacked against them or they admit that they did it. What happened to the good old days when there was no political correctness and hard justice.
Justice is not mob rule. And in Texas it costs more to execute than life in prison.
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(Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
Oh no, not again.

Long story short: certain fundamental human rights are universally applicable to everyone or they are invalid for everyone, and this includes the right to life; it does not cost less to execute people than to imprison them for life; it does not serve as a deterrent for the crimes it is used to punish; it is a form of vengeance rather than justice; innocents have been executed in the past and will continue to be until it is unilaterally abolished; it is a permanent sentence that cannot be reversed - posthumous pardons are useless.

That about covers it.
Very well said.
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They should only be put to death when the evidence is stacked against them or they admit that they did it. What happened to the good old days when there was no political correctness and hard justice.
Why would they then admit to their crimes if they knew that they would be executed if they did?

Also the evidence should be stacked against every person in prison because of a little phrase that governs our whole legal system i.e. "beyond reasonable doubt".

Negged for showing you how flawed your condition placed upon the death penalty is???
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(Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
Oh no, not again.

Long story short: certain fundamental human rights are universally applicable to everyone or they are invalid for everyone, and this includes the right to life; it does not cost less to execute people than to imprison them for life; it does not serve as a deterrent for the crimes it is used to punish; it is a form of vengeance rather than justice; innocents have been executed in the past and will continue to be until it is unilaterally abolished; it is a permanent sentence that cannot be reversed - posthumous pardons are useless.

That about covers it.
...which is why i said if the evidence is stacked against them, eg video footage or the person admits they did it (even if they are innocent, why admit you did it?) then they should be executed. it will save a heck of a lot of money.

the death penalty is still in america lol
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(Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
Oh no, not again.

Long story short: certain fundamental human rights are universally applicable to everyone or they are invalid for everyone, and this includes the right to life; it does not cost less to execute people than to imprison them for life; it does not serve as a deterrent for the crimes it is used to punish; it is a form of vengeance rather than justice; innocents have been executed in the past and will continue to be until it is unilaterally abolished; it is a permanent sentence that cannot be reversed - posthumous pardons are useless.

That about covers it.
This about covers everything I think

My main problem is that it creates a legal form of murder, people and the government can easily set someone up, and have them killed

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Get a photo of a child being sexually photo (Im sure there's plenty around on the web, or so the news keeps telling us....so maybe not...anyway!) photoshop someone into it, or things that make it look like it's the person's house or they are present, put it on their computer or phone or something, then dob them in - they're done for, how do you protest your innocence from that? ...Too late, bang your dead.

Atleast with prison sentences you have time to protest your innocence and to appeal, and even if you can't convince people your innocent, you're not dead and you will eventually be released
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...which is why i said if the evidence is stacked against them, eg video footage or the person admits they did it (even if they are innocent, why admit you did it?) then they should be executed. it will save a heck of a lot of money.

the death penalty is still in america lol
It does not save money. To be honest there are people that would rather die than spend a lifetime in prison so yes you would get people admitting to it when the actual guilty person is still on the loose.
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Murderers and rapists and child fiddlers should be executed in my opinion.

I dont care if its "humane" to keep them alive, they took someone elses life, or psychologically hurt someone for life, justice must be brought to them.

Why waste taxpayers money in keeping these scum eating and breathing.

They should only be put to death when the evidence is stacked against them or they admit that they did it. What happened to the good old days when there was no political correctness and hard justice.
It costs more money to keep someone on death row than life imprisonment.
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It does not save money. To be honest there are people that would rather die than spend a lifetime in prison so yes you would get people admitting to it when the actual guilty person is still on the loose.
Why does it cost more to kill someone? if thats true then i didnt know that. I thought something like a simple shot to the head would be cheaper
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...which is why i said if the evidence is stacked against them, eg video footage or the person admits they did it (even if they are innocent, why admit you did it?) then they should be executed. it will save a heck of a lot of money.

the death penalty is still in america lol
Yes it is still operated in the Southern States and in Iran and in Malawi and in China, just to name a few!
If you would like to operate a similar justice system to any of these countries then you are dillusional!
The death sentence is the hallmark of a less civilised state and if you would like the UK to regress as a nation then implementing the death penalty is a great starting point.
However if you feel so strongly about it why don't you vote BNP, one of their points in their manifesto is to re-implement it!
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I don't want my future taxes to be used to kill people (I think that's how it's funded). The thought of a government killing its own people is beyond vile.
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This about covers everything I think

My main problem is that it creates a legal form of murder, people and the government can easily set someone up, and have them killed

Example

Get a photo of a child being sexually photo (Im sure there's plenty around on the web, or so the news keeps telling us....so maybe not...anyway!) photoshop someone into it, or things that make it look like it's the person's house or they are present, put it on their computer or phone or something, then dob them in - they're done for, how do you protest your innocence from that? ...Too late, bang your dead.

Atleast with prison sentences you have time to protest your innocence and to appeal, and even if you can't convince people your innocent, you're not dead and you will eventually be released
Fair enough with that, however if the person in question denies everything then they will be kept alive, beacuse they could make it the law to do so - if someone admits it they could have the option to die or rot in prison.
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Yes it is still operated in the Southern States and in Iran and in Malawi and in China, just to name a few!
If you would like to operate a similar justice system to any of these countries then you are dillusional!
The death sentence is the hallmark of a less civilised state and if you would like the UK to regress as a nation then implementing the death penalty is a great starting point.
However if you feel so strongly about it why don't you vote BNP, one of their points in their manifesto is to re-implement it!
I do vote BNP lol, in fact most of their policies are very good with immigration and all taht. none of their policies are racist, theyre just anti PC, which is what i like
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Why does it cost more to kill someone? if thats true then i didnt know that. I thought something like a simple shot to the head would be cheaper
See this: http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/i...h-penalty-cost
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Why does it cost more to kill someone? if thats true then i didnt know that. I thought something like a simple shot to the head would be cheaper
When people say that it costs more to execute someone they're basically referring to the american judicial system where it takes aaaaages due to loads of appeals.
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When people say that it costs more to execute someone they're basically referring to the american judicial system where it takes aaaaages due to loads of appeals.
Yeh but im not saying the UK should mirror exactly what the US do, cos their stuff is different. They could make it easier in the UK and make it cost less or something
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Is that really justice though?

And I think you need to consider the fact that there must be a reason behind what the person did, and if you had had the same upbringing and experiences as them, there is a very high chance you would have acted the same way.
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