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66% of Palestinians Want Israel Destroyed

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Reply 60

hamzazulfiqar

jews decended from arabs.

Reply 61

Kiss

Original post by T-ros

Im not racist of one group of people and I dont "bitch and moan" when the jews are bad mouthed it a racist way.

Yes you do, you regard the Palestinians as 'Palestinians', only implies you don't regard them as people. And you practically admitted you are anti-islamic with your oh-so descriptive one word answer to a previous post, 'So?'.

So, are you anti-islamic?

Reply 62

T-ros

Original post by callum9999

And why is Palestinians in speech marks? Are you implying they don't exist or are you just acknowledging the average Palestinian has little to no say in anything to do with this?

Yes, i dont think they exist as a people, they are a mixture of arabs, egyptians, jordans etc. And no, they are not my words , but from a PLO leader.

Reply 63

warrior-1

Original post by T-ros

No, their leader who represents them doesnt want to.

Why should they??

It's like someone robbing £100 of you and say...oh, I give you £20 back.

Palestine will be liberated and the evil occupiers will not excist one day.

Reply 64

T-ros

Original post by Kiss

I think the Islam is a horrible structure, that doesnt mean Im anti Muslims.

Reply 65

B-Man.

Original post by Suetonius

Once again, I was referring to those Kurds living in Iraqi Kurdistan - who were victims of Saddam Hussein's routine aggression. It's interesting really, there have been thousands of suicide bombings in Iraq over the past 8 years, but they've been committed almost exclusively by Islamist, sectarian, and/or foreign elements. The Kurds would have every right to avenge what has been done to them over the years, with reprisals against Iraqi Arab civil society (especially the Sunni bloc, which was essentially responsible for keeping Saddam in power). But they don't. They're doing the complete opposite. Ensuring that principles of democracy and human rights be allowed to flourish, in the face of a full-frontal attack by theocratic 'al-Qaeda'-types. That's far more deserving of respect, imo, than the Hamas policy of murdering civilians and blowing themselves up in the hope of paradise, while indoctrinating children with anti-Semitic, POTEOZ garbage.

You're right it is worthy of more respect and a far better option, however to pretend that democracy in Iraq is flourishing is laughable. Hamas has a disapproval of 67 percent according to OP's poll.

You also acknowledged that the Kurds had every right to avenge what was done to them and thus must hold the same stance in the Israeli-Pal conflict too.

NB: I despise Hamas too.

Original post by Suetonius

I never said it did.

No, but you said Palestinians should opt for dialogue with Israel and I was insinuating that because Netanyahu is not interested in peace, many Palestinians might view it as a futile endeavour. Although OP's poll does reflect the opposite as "Two-thirds reject a Third Intifada and say this is a time for engagement with Israel, not violent resistance."

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Reply 66

T-ros

Original post by warrior-1

Why should they??

Because its part of the Oslo accords ? :rolleyes:

Funny how one has to explain to one user how they are not negotiating and having to explain another user why they should negotiate.

Reply 67

Cherryblossompink

Original post by T-ros

No, their leader who represents them doesnt want to.

maybe i should personally go there and negotiate for both parties and make them both sign peace treaties :biggrin:

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Reply 68

Kiss

Original post by T-ros

I think the Islam is a horrible structure, that doesnt mean Im anti Muslims.

And how is it a horrible structure?

Reply 69

Sicherlich.

Original post by T-ros

Yes, i dont think they exist as a people, they are a mixture of arabs, egyptians, jordans etc. And no, they are not my words , but from a PLO leader.

Egyptians and "Jordans" are Arabs, idiot.

And it's Jordanians.

Reply 70

Suetonius

Original post by DJkG.1

Similar to what Turkey has been inflicting in Northern Cyprus... I've been to Northern Cyprus (like a lot of British holiday makers) and unlike a lot of British holiday makers I've also been to the West Bank.

Only an incredibly ignorant moron would liken the two situations.

You are not such a person at all Suetonius - you know as well as I that the situation in Cyprus is no Israel-Palestine.

It's nothing like Israel-Palestine because it's a stage ahead of Israel-Palestine. It's what Israel-Palestine could be if Israel decided to expel all the Palestinians from the Occupied Territories and populated the entire area with Israeli settlers. Almost all Greek Cypriots were ethnically-cleansed from the region by the Turkish military. There are no Greek Cypriots living under occupation, as it were, because there are none left to occupy. I'm pretty sure that if you went back to Darfur in 20 years time, one could say that it's "no DRC", or "no Somalia" - simply because the genocide there was completed relatively quickly. You could go to Rwanda or Bosnia as a tourist today and say that the current situation cannot be likened to Israel-Palestine. True, but that's nothing to do with the benevolence of the governments - it's entirely to do with the fact that, compared to Milosevic, the Turkish occupiers, the Rwandan genocidaires, the janjaweed etc. Israel shows considerably more restraint.

Morocco in Western Sahara is on such a small scale that there are more people dying in cramped Chinese trains than are affected by it. Not an excuse, but again - you cannot make a like comparison and have it taken seriously.

There's a wall in Western Sahara that is over 1,000 miles long (i.e. almost 10 times longer than the 80:20 fence:wall in the West Bank). True, the population is smaller, but the human rights abuses are both qualitatively and quantitavely comparable to Palestine. And the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic/Polisario Front are members of the Socialist International - who reject all forms of violence against civilians.

That's because they live in the nations oppressing them. :rolleyes:

Unlike with the Kurds et al, the Palestinians live in their own nation (or land - Palestinian territories) that are either illegally annexed by Israel or under illegal Israel occupation.

That's not particularly important. When a population is being repressed, they have an automatic right to self-determination for their people - whether they live within the borders of a repressive regime or not.

Even if I accept for a moment that what you are saying is right, that the Kurds are striving for peace and democracy unlike the Palestinians you have so much contempt for - what is the solution?

I don't have "so much contempt for" the Palestinians. On the contrary, my opposition to the policies of Palestinian concentrations of power (i.e. Fatah and Hamas) is pro-Palestinian, considering their policies - especially Hamas' policies in Gaza - have been detrimental to the rights of Palestinian individuals. The desire to see Israel removed can largely be attributed to decades of PLO/Hamas propaganda. This is something that should be pitied in the same way that children who were indoctrinated under Nazism should be. It's a pro-Palestinian position, not an anti-Palestinian one.

Do you think allowing Israel to oppress them further is going to release pressure from the region... or will it only make the extremist factions more readily accepted by Palestinians whose families have been butchered by Israel and whose homes have been bulldozed?

As I say, these extremist fanctions are in general even more anti-Palestinian than Israel is. So, I don't think there's really any danger of them being "accepted". After 4 years of repressive, corrupt Hamas rule in the Gaza Strip, who've helped turn an illegal blockade into something considerably worse, there's not really any danger - at least in the long-term - of them making any headway. Their own policies only serve to discredit themselves.

We're not really talking about Israeli policy in this thread; I've talked about it lots, and don't feel a need to go into it in detail again. This thread is about the internal dynamics of Palestinian politics and society.

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Reply 71

B-Man.

This poll is not very credible though. It has been put together by 'The Israel Project.' A right-wing pro-settlement organisation with a clear anti-Palestinian bias. They even equated "stopping settlement production" with "ethnic cleansing."

Source

Reply 72

eff01

Original post by warrior-1

He's chatting out his back side.

Tros is a zionist...anti- Islam.

Fact is the Zionist took Palestinian land on a theory: "God promised them the land ".

The Zionists harass the palestinians daily.

Oh, just watching an unbiased news channel: the Zionists cross into Lebanon....surprised? NO.

LOL, I gathered that but I wanted him to explain his delusional stance. FACT- Israel was created by stealing land from the Palestinians and forcing Palestinians out of their homes and Mandate Palestine. The Israelis occupy former Palestinian homes and fail to recognise what they are doing is categorically unacceptable, and no justification, denial or frankly ludicrous line of thought can remove that reality from the books of history. But like I said, it's time to stop the hate and get onto the path to peace and STAY THERE!

Reply 73

DJkG.1

Original post by B-Man.

Oh God that is ironic. :rolleyes:

Reply 74

B-Man.

Original post by DJkG.1

Oh God that is ironic. :rolleyes:

I know, the pro-Zionist position of the polling group is ludicrous.

Reply 75

DontJudge

well duh they wud they've killed somany palestinians.
im suprised it aint 100%

Reply 76

brobro

Its only a matter of time anyway. There are only 13 million jews worldwide, the majority living in israel and israel is becoming increasingly secular. I believe i am right in saying it made the top 20 secular countries. The secular israelis support palestines right to exist and it is those israelis that will lead to peace in the middle east.

you cannot be surprised that the most oppressed people in the world want to see their nightmare ended!

Reply 77

accesstohe

Flatten the Gaza strip tbh.

Reply 78

Darkphilosopher

Original post by callum9999

Surveys are large generalisations... Just as an example, various surveys from the UK often state that the death penalty needs to be introduced - and that's just the general population, not specifically crime victims.

While it's not the same thing - the situation in Palestine is incredibly different to the UK and it would be impossible to do a comparative survey.

I didn't mention surveys. I'm just pointing out that your generalised statement is bias and ignorant.

Reply 79

Tahooper

Original post by DJkG.1

Prepare to be called a Jew-hating anti-Semitic incarnation of Hitler for criticising Israel... they can't help themselves.

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