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"Magic Circle" Vacation Schemes

I was offered a place on a "vacation scheme" by someone who runs recruitment at a "magic circle" law firm - I take it I'm not supposed to name names, so its one of Slaughter & May, Clifford Chance or Linklaters.

I'm not really too interested in law, though I am considering the possibility of doing a conversion course after I graduate, apparently this is a "great chance to get some neccessary experience". I don't really know much about the scheme, I really only know the guy a little so I didn't want to question him when he'd just offered me a place.

What I'm wondering is, because I already have something planned for this Summer whether or not I should take the offer up? Is it really something that is neccessary to eventually reach the top flights of law :smile: ? And would it involve actual legal work as opposed to shadowing senior members?

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Reply 1
If you think there's even a small chance that you might pursue a legal career in the future, I would take up the offer. A placement with one of the firms you've mentioned will look very good on your CV, and will give you some idea of what a legal career involves. Speaking from experience, it can be difficult to get a training contract if you are a non-law graduate with no legal experience. Competition for places on these vacation schemes is intense, so if you're being offered one, I would take it. In addition, they tend to be pretty well paid (and are 9 to 5).

The only one I'm familiar with is the S&M scheme, which involves sharing an office with an associate for a couple of weeks. They may ask you to help out with their work, but obviously the level of involvement will depend on how busy they are (if they're working flat out in a deal they are unlikely to have time to explain things). To be honest, you're fairly unlikely to get involved in anything deep, especially if you have no legal knowledge. The firm organises a lot of lectures and training, though, including research exercises etc., which takes up most of your time.


Hope this helps. :smile:
Reply 2
Manatee
If you think there's even a small chance that you might pursue a legal career in the future, I would take up the offer. A placement with one of the firms you've mentioned will look very good on your CV, and will give you some idea of what a legal career involves. Speaking from experience, it can be difficult to get a training contract if you are a non-law graduate with no legal experience. Competition for places on these vacation schemes is intense, so if you're being offered one, I would take it. In addition, they tend to be pretty well paid (and are 9 to 5).

The only one I'm familiar with is the S&M scheme, which involves sharing an office with an associate for a couple of weeks. They may ask you to help out with their work, but obviously the level of involvement will depend on how busy they are (if they're working flat out in a deal they are unlikely to have time to explain things). To be honest, you're fairly unlikely to get involved in anything deep, especially if you have no legal knowledge. The firm organises a lot of lectures and training, though, including research exercises etc., which takes up most of your time.


Hope this helps. :smile:


Thanks - I guess I will take it up then. I've now rung my friend up and he's told me that it'll last a month and that I can extend that for the rest of the Summer if I want to earn more and get more involved in cases, which sounds great :biggrin: .
Reply 3
Casey
Thanks - I guess I will take it up then. I've now rung my friend up and he's told me that it'll last a month and that I can extend that for the rest of the Summer if I want to earn more and get more involved in cases, which sounds great :biggrin: .


That sounds great - a month-long placement will look even better on your CV. I'm guessing it's not S&M then..?

I suppose some people are just lucky to have connections! :p:
Reply 4
I have to say that I'd pretty surprised if you're being offered the opportunity to spend more than a couple of weeks at one of these firms. Babysitting vac schemers is a huge burden for fee-earners - I'd be amazed if someone is going to look after you for such a long period of time.

Are you sure they're not just offering you some paralegalling work?
Reply 5
I am so so jealous! Definitely take the offer up is a legal career is even on your mind - this might help you to decide whether it is the best thing for you or not, as well as looking great on your CV.

It just goes to show, it's not what you know, it's who you know (in my case, no one :frown: )

Cxx
Reply 6
Casey
I was offered a place on a "vacation scheme" by someone who runs recruitment at a "magic circle" law firm - I take it I'm not supposed to name names, so its one of Slaughter & May, Clifford Chance or Linklaters.

I'm not really too interested in law, though I am considering the possibility of doing a conversion course after I graduate, apparently this is a "great chance to get some neccessary experience". I don't really know much about the scheme, I really only know the guy a little so I didn't want to question him when he'd just offered me a place.

What I'm wondering is, because I already have something planned for this Summer whether or not I should take the offer up? Is it really something that is neccessary to eventually reach the top flights of law :smile: ? And would it involve actual legal work as opposed to shadowing senior members?


Are you just trying to wind up all the poor law students struggling to get essential vac schemes, ones they want SO BADLY that they will cut off limbs to get offers for, spending hours and hours researching and filling in forms and begging for placements??!!! :wink: And you are "not really too interested""??!!!!! :eek:

Go for it, it'll be great experience for you :smile:

But I'd stay away from this forum for a while lol :biggrin:
I'm not sure how likely it is that a MC law firm would offer a vac scheme like this. Talking to the recruitment people at the MC I previously did a scheme with the pressures to be transparent and fair in their selection procedures is enormous. I can't see the point of them doing all the equal opps monitoring, massive forms etc if they're going to offer places to friends etc. Though maybe I'm just annoyed at having to work to get my Vac schemes :-P
Reply 8
chalks
I have to say that I'd pretty surprised if you're being offered the opportunity to spend more than a couple of weeks at one of these firms. Babysitting vac schemers is a huge burden for fee-earners - I'd be amazed if someone is going to look after you for such a long period of time.

Are you sure they're not just offering you some paralegalling work?


Firstly I think the only reason that he's allowing me the position through back-channels, so to speak, is because I'll be shadowing him for the main part, otherwise it wouldn't be possible without applying down the normal route.

He said that the first week will be paralegalling as I'm not doing law at degree level and that it'll ease me into things, but from then onwards depending on how long I commit for it'll be the same work as on the standard vacation schemes, though I'll be able to get more involved in cases as I'll be there for a longer period of time.
Reply 9
house badger
I'm not sure how likely it is that a MC law firm would offer a vac scheme like this. Talking to the recruitment people at the MC I previously did a scheme with the pressures to be transparent and fair in their selection procedures is enormous. I can't see the point of them doing all the equal opps monitoring, massive forms etc if they're going to offer places to friends etc. Though maybe I'm just annoyed at having to work to get my Vac schemes :-P


I was introduced to the guy along with another person on my course by our tutor who I think was also his tutor a long time ago. I know he definately went to the same college as myself. We had a chat for about ten minutes and he said he'd get in contact. I got an email a few days later and was asked to meet him for a coffee and then he grilled me for about half an hour after which he offered me the position. Although I haven't done any work to get onto the scheme I had to work pretty hard and show some aptitude for my tutor to recommend us.
Reply 10
ellewoods
Are you just trying to wind up all the poor law students struggling to get essential vac schemes, ones they want SO BADLY that they will cut off limbs to get offers for, spending hours and hours researching and filling in forms and begging for placements??!!! :wink: And you are "not really too interested""??!!!!! :eek:

Go for it, it'll be great experience for you :smile:

But I'd stay away from this forum for a while lol :biggrin:


I didn't realise that the schemes were that competitive actually, I don't have many lawyer friends :smile: - I'd have personally thought that they'd be about as competitive as IB placements, but apparently not.

I'm not really interested in law itself, no. Otherwise I'd have applied for law, but I am interested in becoming a lawyer and there are aspects of law that I'd like to get involved in (business law mainly) when I graduate. And I will most likely be doing a law conversion course - what I meant by saying that I wasn't really interested in doing a placement this Summer (as I had other plans) and didn't think about doing one or applying for one.
Much as I'm trying not to sound bitter (as I put a ridiculous amount of hours and work into securing my vac schemes) I think you should get something in writing and check this out.

I've been involved in the vac scheme / TC process, although admittedly from a law undergrad route, an awful lot over the last 18months and this just isn't ringing true of how a vac scheme works....

I hope for you it is though, because as I said before, vac schemes with MC firms are like the holy grail and it will literally be invaluable if you decide to go into law eventually. :smile:
Reply 12
ellewoods
Much as I'm trying not to sound bitter (as I put a ridiculous amount of hours and work into securing my vac schemes) I think you should get something in writing and check this out.

I've been involved in the vac scheme / TC process, although admittedly from a law undergrad route, an awful lot over the last 18months and this just isn't ringing true of how a vac scheme works....

I hope for you it is though, because as I said before, vac schemes with MC firms are like the holy grail and it will literally be invaluable if you decide to go into law eventually. :smile:


He's arranged to meet me again in a weeks time to sign a contract, is there anything in particular that I need to look out for? I don't think he's untrustworthy however, as otherwise my tutor wouldn't have introduced us, would he :confused: ?
Casey
He's arranged to meet me again in a weeks time to sign a contract, is there anything in particular that I need to look out for? I don't think he's untrustworthy however, as otherwise my tutor wouldn't have introduced us, would he :confused: ?


No thats true.

I didn't have to sign a contract for either of mine, just accept their offer in writing. Will there be a penalty if you dont go, ie, is this more like a short term job seeing as you're non-law and it has a paralegal aspect?? You probably just need to ask more questions, like you mentioned, you didnt want to grill him at the time.

Good luck with it :smile:
Reply 14
ellewoods
No thats true.

I didn't have to sign a contract for either of mine, just accept their offer in writing. Will there be a penalty if you dont go, ie, is this more like a short term job seeing as you're non-law and it has a paralegal aspect?? You probably just need to ask more questions, like you mentioned, you didnt want to grill him at the time.

Good luck with it :smile:


Thanks.

I'll ask if I can take the contract away, but he told me that its a pretty standard thing which includes a confidentiality clause and one that sets my wage for the period I work, depending on how many months I end up working.
Casey
I didn't realise that the schemes were that competitive actually, I don't have many lawyer friends :smile: - I'd have personally thought that they'd be about as competitive as IB placements, but apparently not.


Are you kidding me? You make it sound as if IB placements are easy to get? IB placements for top Banks in london have an insane amount of competition applying for them from unis such as LSE, Oxbridge, UCL, Warwick, Nottingham etc. I'm sure Vac/Tc placements in the city are very, very difficult to get, especially with the MC firms, but i would say that placements with the 'Big 4' banks for IB etc are just as difficult to secure...sorry for my rant...
Reply 16
ashley710
Are you kidding me? You make it sound as if IB placements are easy to get? IB placements for top Banks in london have an insane amount of competition applying for them from unis such as LSE, Oxbridge, UCL, Warwick, Nottingham etc. I'm sure Vac/Tc placements in the city are very, very difficult to get, especially with the MC firms, but i would say that placements with the 'Big 4' banks for IB etc are just as difficult to secure...sorry for my rant...


The IB comment was from friends' experiences, I haven't personally applied for any schemes (as I'm a fresher and had other plans anyway) but everyone I know in the second year doing maths/physics/engineering who wanted to do an IB placement got one :smile: . J.P. Morgan, Deloitte and Goldman Sachs seem to the be the popular places but some are doing similar placements at smaller banks.

I actually don't know anyone who wants to do IB stuff that didn't get one, but I assume its not the sort of thing you just come out and say if you didn't get one.
Well ok, fair enough. But don't let that dissilusion you, work placements at top IBs are difficult to get, and probably no less difficult to get than Law internships.
Reply 18
Good luck with it all, and to everyone else applying for vac placements, like myself.

Where abouts are you studying Casey?
Reply 19
tiger306
Good luck with it all, and to everyone else applying for vac placements, like myself.

Where abouts are you studying Casey?


Yeah good luck to everyone :smile: .

Engineering & Computer Science at Oxford :smile: .