Legit Roulette Strategy?

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There isn't a strategy for roulette. The odds will always be in favour of the house.

Try and count cards as a team????

The best strategy, which is the only one that can guarantee you don't lose money is to leave the table.
The house edge ensures you cannot always win at roulette.

Reply 22

obstupefacere

Original post by L-x

posting to be on the first page, gonna dig out some graphs of profit vs games played for people playing heads up poker tournaments, any martingale strategy is going to produce similar results.

Martingale strategies are identical in output to Fibonacci sequence play. Small profits are offset by large losses imposed by house limits and capital constraint.

In terms of gambling for money your best bet is Blackjack where you can get a rate of an average of +0.13% by just playing appropriately (or higher, up to around +3% if you count).

Whereas Roulette gives an average return of -1.35%, craps -1.4%

Reply 23

Riderz

Who goes to a casino to make money?

Think how much a night out would cost you, take that in and then if you lose it all you've had half hours entertainment or whatever for £30. There are times when you lose every hand in a row and go home feeling **** - there are times when you win every hand and double your money. Roll with the punches and enjoy it, but dont expect to win. Be sensible and prepared to walk out either when you've lost enough, or when you've won enough.

Reply 24

Steevee

Roulette is for mugs in the long term, but it can work to make a quick £50 or so. Just don't get heavily into it.

Poker, now poker can be a winner. If you have the time and patience. Devote a few weeks to learning the ins and outs of the game and then start in 50p max stakes games and go on from there. I have 3 friends who have won upwards of £1000 through tournaments and general play. That said I know upwards of 10 people who have lost money or only break even. See if you can get good at it, if not, accept that and quit. By the laws of statistics only so many people can win, it's the same with all gambling.

Reply 25

L-x

Original post by obstupefacere

Nobody too stupid to work out for themselves that martingaling is dumb as **** is going to have any hope playing a profitable BJ strategy

Reply 26

RobboKris

Personally, I'd avoid trying to play Roulette completely (I have a friend who is addicted to gambling and I have witnessed him win £800 in one spin and then pretty much lose all of it within the next 10 mins) - He's also told me of various times where he has won several hundred pounds in one spin online and then lost it (he once won over £1,200 and lost it).

So the morale of the story is to avoid it, but if you want to play it then play occasionally with low stakes which you can comfortably afford to lose and have fun. Best of all, if you do go up in money, then quit while you're ahead.

Reply 27

fiddlesticks123

Original post by obstupefacere

There's a house advantage in blackjack even with perfect play. Only way to make the stats work in your favour is to count cards...

Reply 28

R92

As a few other people have said, you could try card counting with black jack, it certainly works, though you would need basic maths to understand the principles. It's not as hard as everyone makes it out to be. You also don't need a team to do it, like in the film 21 (they were using a team version).

Reply 29

obstupefacere

Original post by fiddlesticks123

There's a house advantage in blackjack even with perfect play. Only way to make the stats work in your favour is to count cards...

It depends on the rules, the standard house advantage for equal play is -5.6%, The dealers edge offsets the blackjack edge against the fact the player plays first - which gives him the edge of -8.07% offset against the natural (+2.34%) or 5.73%.

However because the dealer operates on a strict set of rules you can get up to +0.13% without counting if you ensure that the dealer stands soft seventeen - if the dealer only stands on soft eighteen or hard seventeen - then the edge is lost.

Know the rules, but ideally if you can get games of blackjack of your own with other people, you deal, stand soft eighteen, double down only on elevens and give naturals no edge and you will be getting 9%+ a game, if you can find people stupid enough to play!

Reply 30

L-x

Original post by fiddlesticks123

There's a house advantage in blackjack even with perfect play. Only way to make the stats work in your favour is to count cards...

I'm not sure if it's still the case but a couple of years ago online casinos offered good enough signup bonuses to offset this

Reply 31

Welsh Leprecaun

Its probably a ploy by the casinos to get idiots to part with their cash

Reply 32

IceWater

at first I thought it'd be a ponzi scheme.

Anyway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_%28betting_system%29

Reply 33

Arjang

I used to be a gambler. I'd never even heard of this Martingale strategy when I was doing it, I thought it was something I had come up with myself. Take it from someone who's down nearly £5k (£3k of which was lost in one final night)... don't do it. If it works once or twice, its just lucky. Fact of the matter is, it will only ever work if you have unlimited funds, which is exactly the reason why casino's introduced bet limits, and don't even think about having a friend with a load of your money in his pocket on standby just in case you reach a point where you'd have to bet over the limit. Casino security will recognise this, void your winnings and throw you out.
Wanna make money through gaming? Study poker, that's all I ever "gamble" in now, and in my poker lifetime I'm up.

Reply 34

middlj

its called the martingale system and it doesn't work, for reasons I can't be bothered to explain at 2am

Reply 35

middlj

Original post by Welsh Leprecaun

Its probably a ploy by the casinos to get idiots to part with their cash

this exactly.

clever move really

Reply 36

Patrick Wallace

Original post by fiddlesticks123

There's a house advantage in blackjack even with perfect play. Only way to make the stats work in your favour is to count cards...

What casino are you playing at? My local casino uses 6 decks and an auto-shuffler, if I tried to count cards I would give myself an aneurysm.

Reply 37

fiddlesticks123

Original post by Patrick Wallace

What casino are you playing at? My local casino uses 6 decks and an auto-shuffler, if I tried to count cards I would give myself an aneurysm.

hahaha i've never tried card counting, I'm just saying, it'd be the only way...

Reply 38

obstupefacere

Original post by Patrick Wallace

What casino are you playing at? My local casino uses 6 decks and an auto-shuffler, if I tried to count cards I would give myself an aneurysm.

No one counts all actual cards... Generally there is an alteration between ten count or point count - they both give decent returns between 0.3 and 63.2 depending how far the decks progress.

No dealer will ever deal all six decks, so you won't ever see the theoretical 63.2, but you are more likely to alternate between 0 and 5 per cent, counting Tens... Points count gets similar results.