Why don't Asian countries take in immigrants?
Why don't China, India and other growing economies, and Japan don't take in any refugees/asylum seekers?
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Original post by Taivaallinen
Why don't China, India and other growing economies, and Japan don't take in any refugees/asylum seekers?
immigrant =/= refugee
1. Language difficulties. Mandarin and Japanese in particular = mindfrak. Hindi's not much better. Most of the asylum seekers in the world come from West/Central Asia and Africa - Europe is the logical destination for most of these people, as the most developed and wealthiest part of the world.
2. Asylum seekers. Japan is only really close to North Korea as far as 'orrible states go, and there's not much chance of getting out of NK. But as for China and India, why would you flee to countries that are respectively an oppressive communist regime and a country where there's almost no prospect of escape from a life of poverty at the moment, and so not many prospects for asylum seekers?
2. Asylum seekers. Japan is only really close to North Korea as far as 'orrible states go, and there's not much chance of getting out of NK. But as for China and India, why would you flee to countries that are respectively an oppressive communist regime and a country where there's almost no prospect of escape from a life of poverty at the moment, and so not many prospects for asylum seekers?
They do "take in immigrants". I could go and try and find work in China or India if I wanted to. Emphasis on try. The point is that those job markets are already saturated.
Japan will no doubt become a hotbed for immigration soon, as they are facing a falling population and a crippling demographic crisis, where there are far too many elderly, out-of-work dependants to be supported by the workforce.
Japan will no doubt become a hotbed for immigration soon, as they are facing a falling population and a crippling demographic crisis, where there are far too many elderly, out-of-work dependants to be supported by the workforce.
Original post by Aphotic Cosmos
1. Language difficulties. Mandarin and Japanese in particular = mindfrak. Hindi's not much better. Most of the asylum seekers in the world come from West/Central Asia and Africa - Europe is the logical destination for most of these people, as the most developed and wealthiest part of the world.
Also there's the fact that when it comes to migration from Africa, a lot of such immigrants will speak English or French as at least a second language.
2. Asylum seekers. Japan is only really close to North Korea as far as 'orrible states go, and there's not much chance of getting out of NK. But as for China and India, why would you flee to countries that are respectively an oppressive communist regime and a country where there's almost no prospect of escape from a life of poverty at the moment, and so not many prospects for asylum seekers?
Another aspect I'd like to add is that there is quite a lot of tension between the Japanese and Koreans given their histories, plus the Japanese are reportedly rather prejudiced against foreigners as a rule.
Original post by Taivaallinen
Why don't China, India and other growing economies, and Japan don't take in any refugees/asylum seekers?
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0719/opinions-china-immigration-illegal-aliens-heads-up.html
As for refugees specifically:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Refugee_map_2007_destinations.png
Looks like the three top refugee destinations of choice are Germany, Syria (i think, my geography isn't so hot) and Pakistan.
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Original post by Taivaallinen
I think it's probably because asian countries are already overcrowded.
Original post by Taivaallinen
But Asia's much bigger though.
Most of Asia is very sparsely populated. Siberia, Tibet, Mongolia, Kazakhstan . . . most of the Asian population is concentrated tightly in China, India, Japan, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Thailand, Vietnam and The Philippines, around the coastline.
Original post by Selkarn
Japan will no doubt become a hotbed for immigration soon, as they are facing a falling population and a crippling demographic crisis, where there are far too many elderly, out-of-work dependants to be supported by the workforce.
Doesn't sound too appealing to me, working extra to heavily subsidise a pensions crisis of some random people I have no tie to. At least in this country we've had our (admittedly cheaper) education subsidised by the people whose pensions we'll be subsidising.
Original post by Taivaallinen
So is the UK, France, and Germany...
Why not send them to Siberia, Tibet, Mongolia, Kazakhstan?
Why not send them to Siberia, Tibet, Mongolia, Kazakhstan?
Because the difference between densely populated European countries and densely populated Asian countries is that we are very rich and they are generally not.
Original post by Taivaallinen
Why don't China, India and other growing economies, and Japan don't take in any refugees/asylum seekers?
they do
, but most people would rather go to america or europeOriginal post by Hopple
Doesn't sound too appealing to me, working extra to heavily subsidise a pensions crisis of some random people I have no tie to. At least in this country we've had our (admittedly cheaper) education subsidised by the people whose pensions we'll be subsidising.
You're looking at it from the wrong angle..
With a falling working population (decreasing supply of workers) and increasing dependant population (increasing demand for workers), young and productive workers are going to be very well paid, which is the fundamental reason for economic migration (to get higher wages).
Japan is turning into a shell, an economy full of brilliant infrastructure and capital, with nobody to operate it, and obviously immigration is the natural cure for that.
Original post by Aphotic Cosmos
Original post by Aphotic Cosmos
Because the difference between densely populated European countries and densely populated Asian countries is that we are very rich and they are generally not.
incorrect china and japan are richer than europe with them having the 2nd and 3rd best economy in the whole world Source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427321
Original post by Taivaallinen
A refugee is an immigrant.
But an immigrant is not necessarily a refugee
Original post by Taivaallinen
So is Europe.
The population in mainland Europe will go down soon though, due to its aging population and low birth rates. That can't really be said about the population in the UK though.
Original post by Taivaallinen
Or maybe it's because they have more room for them.
The population in Japan is double the size of Britains population, and most of Japan's land is inaccessible, so you're wrong.
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Original post by Aphotic Cosmos
1. Language difficulties. Mandarin and Japanese in particular = mindfrak. Hindi's not much better. Most of the asylum seekers in the world come from West/Central Asia and Africa - Europe is the logical destination for most of these people, as the most developed and wealthiest part of the world.
You have such an incredibly Eurocentric view of the world. Do you really think it's easier for a Chinese person to learn English than Japanese, a language that uses Chinese characters and in which over 60% of words are of Chinese origin? Tens of millions of Chinese would move to Japan in a heartbeat. They would much rather come here to Japan, a Mongoloid nation that shares many cultural similarities despite the two country's bad relations.
Japanese is even more similar to Korean, and there have been millions of Koreans moving to (still) majority White countries like the US, Canada and Australia. Many many Koreans would also move to Japan, still significantly richer than South Korea. The fact is, even the Koreans who were born in Japan and have lived here for generations speaking nothing but Japanese are not even given basic Japanese citizenship and are instead treated like dirt. Try finding an apartment in Tokyo with a Korean last name...
No, the reason Japan doesn't really accept immigrants or refugees, even ones who look exactly the same as them, is that they want Japan to remain Japanese. Liberals in the West seem fine with that but insist white countries be flooded with Third Worlders. Funny that.
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Original post by Taivaallinen
Most of Europe doesn't have low birth rates though.
Yes it does.
Original post by Dalek1099
incorrect china and japan are richer than europe with them having the 2nd and 3rd best economy in the whole world Source:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427321
The EU has the world's biggest economy.
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Original post by Taivaallinen
Most of Europe doesn't have low birth rates though.
The Natives do.
The blacks, Arabs etc give the impression of a high European birth rate (which, still, is below reproductive level). Guess you should invite more black Africans and Muslim Arabs and Pakistani in - productive citizens who just blend in....
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