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Just what are the Ivy League schools of the UK?
This just seemed like a great idea to me.
I would like to hear and i'm sure others will be curious to know what people think are the creme de la creme universities of the uk?
Being eight Ivy League schools in the US, what would be the UK equivalent?
This could be interesting...
I would like to hear and i'm sure others will be curious to know what people think are the creme de la creme universities of the uk?
Being eight Ivy League schools in the US, what would be the UK equivalent?
This could be interesting...
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I'd probably say the same as ba_ba1 but replace Nottingham with York.
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Yeah it makes nine, but I don't think the number's that important. A top 10 is easier.
My top 10 would be Oxbridge, UCL, LSE, ICL, Warwick, Bristol, York, Durham, Nottingham, but not necessarily in that exact order.
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Although if we're looking for an Ivy League equivalent, perhaps places like Loughborough and Bath would be more appropriate, seeing as the Ivy League is about sports. Or perhaps places like Canterbury, UEA, Newcastle etc if we think the east coast factor is more important.
The Ivy League is a misleading and slightly daft concept, like the Russell Group. I've heard loads of people say things like, "Oh, the Russell Group universities are the best!" but that would place both York and Durham outside the top 18 universities in the country, when they're generally considered to be in the top 10. Similarly, Stanford, one of the most prestigious universities in the US, isn't in the Ivy League.
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Dr Pip
Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial, Durham, warwick, York, UCL, Bristol (unis in the tops of the tables)
makes 9 because of oxbridge. oops
i'd guess.
makes 9 because of oxbridge. oops
i'd guess.
Yeah it makes nine, but I don't think the number's that important. A top 10 is easier.
My top 10 would be Oxbridge, UCL, LSE, ICL, Warwick, Bristol, York, Durham, Nottingham, but not necessarily in that exact order.
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Although if we're looking for an Ivy League equivalent, perhaps places like Loughborough and Bath would be more appropriate, seeing as the Ivy League is about sports. Or perhaps places like Canterbury, UEA, Newcastle etc if we think the east coast factor is more important.
The Ivy League is a misleading and slightly daft concept, like the Russell Group. I've heard loads of people say things like, "Oh, the Russell Group universities are the best!" but that would place both York and Durham outside the top 18 universities in the country, when they're generally considered to be in the top 10. Similarly, Stanford, one of the most prestigious universities in the US, isn't in the Ivy League.
Cambridge, Oxford, UCL, Warwick, LSE, ICL,Bristol.
If we're sticking to 8, then I'd have to say:
Cambridge
Oxford
LSE
Imperial
UCL
Edinburgh
Bristol
Warwick
Cambridge
Oxford
LSE
Imperial
UCL
Edinburgh
Bristol
Warwick
Nottingham isn't that good a university. York is a very good university though and I would have put it in my list, but I was confining it to 8.
Ivy League isn't necessarily the best.
MIT isn't Ivy League for example.
MIT isn't Ivy League for example.
We have to remember though, that the ivy league is a collection of only 8 from the 2500 (approx) Universities in the US. So our equivalent list could only really contain 1 or possibly 2 Universities. But seeing as lists of 1 or 2 are pretty boring, I'll go with (in no particular order):
Oxford
Cambridge
LSE
Imperial
Durham
Oxford
Cambridge
LSE
Imperial
Durham
Interesting to see who everyone is picking (until Wrangler came along and wibbled in Durham rather than UCL because he's a plank or something... 
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Oxbridge, UCL, LSE, Imperial (note, soon no longer ICL as they are exiting UoL).
There are other very good universities. Many offer courses in which they are as good or better than 'the common five'.
)Oxbridge, UCL, LSE, Imperial (note, soon no longer ICL as they are exiting UoL).
There are other very good universities. Many offer courses in which they are as good or better than 'the common five'.
President_Ben
Interesting to see who everyone is picking (until Wrangler came along and wibbled in Durham rather than UCL because he's a plank or something... )
Oxbridge, UCL, LSE, Imperial (note, soon no longer ICL as they are exiting UoL).
There are other very good universities. Many offer courses in which they are as good or better than 'the common five'.
)Oxbridge, UCL, LSE, Imperial (note, soon no longer ICL as they are exiting UoL).
There are other very good universities. Many offer courses in which they are as good or better than 'the common five'.
What exactly are ICL going to lose by exiting though? Being associated with UCL (not much of a loss as in ICL's field ICL is better), LSE (not much of a loss because they don't really compete at all) and all the other UoL universities which frankly, I don't think ICL want to be associated with anyway. I think leaving is the best thing for ICL and if LSE don't want to fall behind them then they'll probably need to leave soon as well.
Casey
What exactly are ICL going to lose by exiting though? Being associated with UCL (not much of a loss as in ICL's field ICL is better), LSE (not much of a loss because they don't really compete at all) and all the other UoL universities which frankly, I don't think ICL want to be associated with anyway. I think leaving is the best thing for ICL and if LSE don't want to fall behind them then they'll probably need to leave soon as well.
All the big colleges have been moving towards a split from UoL or a breaking down in what 'UoL' means.
Imp, LSE, UCL and Kings do get quite a bit of value out of UoL or at least the concept of it. Students can take extremely specialised courses amongst each other (as a Big 4) and also get the benefit of smaller specialised institutions who are world class in their areas.
The impending breakup of UoL (rather than a winding down of it) has already started a process where the quality smaller places are signing themselves up to a bigger college (eg. NIMR going into UCL - haha Kings lost, again
)I feel it is highly likely that an informal UoL will reform out of the top quality Big 4 (with the absorbed smaller places). There is too much to lose if they don't. For example, Imperial doesn't want to lose the links it has with the London School of Hygine and Tropical Medicine or the London Centre for Nanotechnology. Nor do the other medical unis. UCL and Imperial are battling Oxbridge together (in practice, rather than each other) for a lot of biomed/biochem research. There was a case for a merger between the two only a couple years ago. Some courses at Kings, LSE and UCL are taught with students from all of them combined.
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