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Original post by HonestBob
Finns are not Nordic. They're actually Asiatic, more similar to Hungarians and Turks than they are to other Northern Europeans. While it is true some Finns are blond/red haired and blue -eyed like their Nordic neighbours, but that came from centuries of intermarriage. Most Finns, however, resemble Hungarians in language, customs and even physical appearance.


Not at all. Modern Finnish people resemble the Swedes more than they do Estonians or what you would expect to be the "Finno-Russians", Turkic or Uralic peoples.

Modern Finnish people are the whitest and indeed the most Nordic people out there, even more so than Norwegians. Very few Finns resemble Estonians, nevermind Hungarians or the Turkic peoples.
Original post by Anonymous
Its true Finns might be not as much stereotypically Nordic/Germanic culturally and genetically as people From Denmark, Swedenm, Norway, NEtherlands and even Most of Germany. HOwever the nordic input in Finland is high and a lot of people have Nordic features and have typical nordic mentality.... Definitely far more nordic than the English who on average isnt blonde, tall or germanic looking at all..

I'm myself a fan of blonde women and I have hard time finding stereotypical stunning tall blondes in the UK, because there are few tall women, and very few natural blondes who are really british and not expats... In germany, Norway, denmark or holland I came across those type of women in every corner.. they seem to be extinct (or actually they never existed ) in the UK.


Absolutely, Finland is more what you would expect 'Nordic' or 'Germanic' ideal type to be than England, France, most of Germany, Poland, Austria put together. We are no less 'Nordic' than Swedes, in fact I would argue we are paradoxically more white than them.
Original post by William Pitt
Not at all. Modern Finnish people resemble the Swedes more than they do Estonians or what you would expect to be the "Finno-Russians", Turkic or Uralic peoples.

Modern Finnish people are the whitest and indeed the most Nordic people out there, even more so than Norwegians. Very few Finns resemble Estonians, nevermind Hungarians or the Turkic peoples.


Depends how do you define "the most nordic"

A lot of finns have wider/squarer features and smaller noses which is unusual combination.

I think All Norwegians, Dutch and People in Northern Germany and Denmark are more nordic looking than Swedish or Finnish. I mean nordic, tall, lean naturally blond, longer nose, high forehead , narrower faces. The more you approach the baltic sea the less nordic the people looks, regardless of hair/eye color their facial features ,etc look different. Russian blondes dont look like nordic people for example.. nordic influence yes.. but nothing beyond that.

British people arent nordic either.. they are mostly ancient european pre-celtic/pre-germanic people with neolithic appearance.
Original post by William Pitt
Absolutely, Finland is more what you would expect 'Nordic' or 'Germanic' ideal type to be than England, France, most of Germany, Poland, Austria put together. We are no less 'Nordic' than Swedes, in fact I would argue we are paradoxically more white than them.


You havent traveled enough, I take that as a fact.

Poland dont look nordic.. they look slavic with traces of germanic in west and south west.

Northern France and England look more or less the same.. but france has more extreme types, more very blond and more dark, brits are more brown or darkbrown hair but with pale skin. For the record the French are far healthier and prettier looking as a whole.

Austrians look like bavarians/southern germans but with higher slavic mix

Northern germans look like nordic people, but of continental european variation, that means longer nose, leaner bodies and facial features.. scandinavians tend to have wider/rounder features on average.. specially Swedes, Finns and even quite a few danes.

English people never looked nordic to me.. I see british women all day.. mostly plain brown(mousy)/dakr brown hair (90%+ of british blondes are fake)
mediocre height, shorter bones/limbs, tendency to get fat, etc.
Original post by Anonymous
Depends how do you define "the most nordic"

A lot of finns have wider/squarer features and smaller noses which is unusual combination.

I think All Norwegians, Dutch and People in Northern Germany and Denmark are more nordic looking than Swedish or Finnish. I mean nordic, tall, lean naturally blond, longer nose, high forehead , narrower faces.


This is how Nordic is widely "defined" or rather has been widely defined in the past and this is how most Finns actually look like, as opposed to Estonians and Hungarians.

This is how I look like personally and pretty much 90% of people I know. Finns really are more Nordic than most of the peoples you've mentioned, including Germans. Why this is the case I don't know, but this is what you can clearly observe across Finland.
Original post by William Pitt
This is how Nordic is widely "defined" or rather has been widely defined in the past and this is how most Finns actually look like, as opposed to Estonians and Hungarians.

This is how I look like personally and pretty much 90% of people I know. Finns really are more Nordic than most of the peoples you've mentioned, including Germans. Why this is the case I don't know, but this is what you can clearly observe across Finland.


You havent met many finnish women( or men for that matter) then.. finnish people are known for their smaller noses and rounder features, even when many of them are blond.

You'v probably never been in finland.
Original post by Anonymous
You havent traveled enough, I take that as a fact.

Poland dont look nordic.. they look slavic with traces of germanic in west and south west.

Northern France and England look more or less the same.. but france has more extreme types, more very blond and more dark, brits are more brown or darkbrown hair but with pale skin. For the record the French are far healthier and prettier looking as a whole.

Austrians look like bavarians/southern germans but with higher slavic mix

Northern germans look like nordic people, but of continental european variation, that means longer nose, leaner bodies and facial features.. scandinavians tend to have wider/rounder features on average.. specially Swedes, Finns and even quite a few danes.

English people never looked nordic to me.. I see british women all day.. mostly plain brown(mousy)/dakr brown hair (90%+ of british blondes are fake)
mediocre height, shorter bones/limbs, tendency to get fat, etc.


I have traveled a lot and disagree with pretty much everything you just said and I take it as a fact that your source of information is google pictures.

Poland: no geographical correlation between physical traits of the Poles and their residence. South or West Poland is not any more Germanic than the very east. In fact you could argue to the contrary because of historical reasons and migration of peoples. I would say they have less "Germanic" traits and more "Nordic" ones left from Gothic migration, Prussia, Swedish invasions, Vikings etc. Thy are more Nordic than South Germans or Czechs in my honest opinion. Apart from that, you can clearly see Iranian, Turkic, Uralic, Semitic traits in many Poles because of mixing with its largest in the world Jewish population, Turkic invasions (+ core Tatar population) and different migrations.

Healthier French than the English? I'm not getting into Eugenics. Yes, there is a similarity overall but the northern French are clearly of a degree of Nordic ancestry. Both populations also have Celtic influences.

What you described as "Slavic" admixture to South Germans and Austrians is the biggest mistake. There's no such thing as Slavonic admixture. In fact South Slavs are totally genetically distant from what supposed to be their northern counterparts if you look at autosomal DNA. What you described here is Hungarian (i.e. Avar, Hunnic, Uralic etc) admixture, not "Slavic". South Germans and Austrians basically look Hungarian to a certain degree.

I cannot be bothered to write any more. To be very concise: Northerns Germans look Germanic, and some look Nordic (again if you want to separate Nordic from Germanic) but not any more or less than Scandinavians, including and especially Finns.

This is my own observation. I am Finnish by the way in case you have not noticed.
Original post by Anonymous
You havent met many finnish women( or men for that matter) then.. finnish people are known for their smaller noses and rounder features, even when many of them are blond.

You'v probably never been in finland.


Well I am Finnish as aforementioned.. I just study in the UK.

Modern Finns have strictly Nordic features, as opposed to other Uralic/Finnic peoples, and more so than the British, Swedes or Germans.
Original post by Anonymous
Brits dont look nordic in the very least most english women have naturally brown(mousy) or darkbrown hair (depending on the area) and are much shorter on average than Scandinavian, Dutch or German women.


I come across British women everyday and most of them are no more than 5'3-5'5 which would be extremely short in germanic nations, body types of british people and facial features dont look germanic at all either.

The number of anglo-saxon input is overestimated.. the British isles were, are and have always been overwhelmingly of ancient brythonic heritage. Thats peoples of pre-celtic and pre-germanic heritage.
IF you look at modern day population very few brits are naturally blonde or have a very germanic looks...


True that most Britain are native and descended from Pre-Celtic peoples of the Neolithic however, English people, esp. E.Anglia are partly descended from N.European settlers after the collapse of the Roman rule.
Original post by William Pitt
Well I am Finnish as aforementioned.. I just study in the UK.

Modern Finns have strictly Nordic features, as opposed to other Uralic/Finnic peoples, and more so than the British, Swedes or Germans.


Well, then many of those finns I met have to be foreigners lol

I know finns that look nordic but they are far from being majority. Scandinavians, Dutch and Northern GErmans are mainly nordic not finns, finns are blonde finnic/nordic mix, and to some extent swedes are, specially the more east and north you travel in sweden.
Original post by Anonymous
Well, then many of those finns I met have to be foreigners lol

I know finns that look nordic but they are far from being majority. Scandinavians, Dutch and Northern GErmans are mainly nordic not finns, finns are blonde finnic/nordic mix, and to some extent swedes are, specially the more east and north you travel in sweden.


Well of course I know what type of Finns you are talking about: those that are very blonde but also broad faced and have quite small noses and Uralic features. There's lots of them, but honestly I would say the majority look like me, and (without bragging) I look very much like ideal-type Nordic with very sharp Nordic features, tall athletic statute. Why this is the case I don't know - I'm not an expert but I am aware that the first Finns looked very much like modern Uralic peoples. Today, however, the majority of Finns have haplogroups associated with Nordic ancestors and not Uralic (I1a as opposed to N1c) and this could in addition be because of change of climate? I don't know.

Are you the person who talked about indigenous populations of the UK? Because I think this topic very interesting but I have no knowledge of it.
Original post by Synapsida
True that most Britain are native and descended from Pre-Celtic peoples of the Neolithic however, English people, esp. E.Anglia are partly descended from N.European settlers after the collapse of the Roman rule.


What exactly are the Neolithic peoples? Could you please elaborate on this?
Original post by William Pitt
What exactly are the Neolithic peoples? Could you please elaborate on this?


Populations that lived in the British before the arrivals of Iron working, the Wheel (which originated in the Danube), the chariot (invented in the Eurasian steeps by PIE speakers) and the ard (primitive plough from the fertile cersent). There many migrations to Britain before 500bc but the most significant ones were neolithic farmers from Mesopotamia (who brought farming techniques like ploughing of Barley, Wheat and flax) and Indo-Europeans (who brought the Celtic language, wheel and horse to Britain)
Original post by HonestBob
I read the results of a study recently conducted that found dark haired, swarthy complected, brown-eyed women from southern European backgrounds overwhelmingly were more attracted to blond or ginger haired British and Scandanavian men with pale or freckly skin and blue eyes. Does this make sense? Interestingly, the study also found that blonde, northern European women were divided in their preferences for either Latin or Nordic looking men. Do Italian, Spanish and Portuguese women fall easy for palefaced English, Scottish and Norwegian men?


Surely it depends where they're living? I've found myself attracted to more pale-skinned people in my lifetime purely because I live in the north of England and the vast majority of people I know are whiter-than-white. If they're looking at mostly dark women living in Britain or Scandinavia, I think that would explain it.
I specialised in Old English at University. Old English is the Germanic language spoken before the Normans came to England in 1066, when their Latin language (French) amalgamated with Old English to create Middle English, which is much more similar to what we speak today. Although modern English clearly has strong Latin elements, English definitely has strong Germanic elements in it as well - the foundation of the English language is Germanic. As someone who also speaks German I can attest to the fact that although it may not initially be very apparent to most people, English has strong Germanic elements which define it. What makes it such an interesting language is that it combines both Latin and Germanic elements, which, as far as I'm aware, makes English unique when it comes to common European languages.
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Original post by dslkajjfsakka
I specialised in Old English at University. Old English is the Germanic language spoken before the Normans came to England in 1066, when their Latin language (French) amalgamated with Old English to create Middle English, which is much more similar to what we speak today. Although modern English clearly has strong Latin elements, English definitely has strong Germanic elements in it as well - the foundation of the English language is Germanic. As someone who also speaks German I can attest to the fact that although it may not initially be very apparent to most people, English has strong Germanic elements which define it. What makes it such an interesting language is that it combines both Latin and Germanic elements, which, as far as I'm aware, makes English unique when it comes to common European languages.



not really unique ..as for instance Dutch is the same combination, only slightly older combined...English is kind of strange in that it sometimes wrongly took words from abroad..but phonetically you can see where they are coming from.
Also scandinavian languages have lots of english en german influnces...but lack the latin part mostly...
Ghost thread...

Anyway I prefer pale blonde men and I am of a dark complexion and hair (although eyes are light) but my mother is of Nordic descent with blonde hair and blue eyes. To be honest I would quite like to have blonde children.
Original post by Nadooo
English men are Germanic and they are not so keen on those due to the media portrayal of modern Brits


Do tell us more - I have a vested interest! :-)
Original post by dslkajjfsakka
I specialised in Old English at University. Old English is the Germanic language spoken before the Normans came to England in 1066, when their Latin language (French) amalgamated with Old English to create Middle English, which is much more similar to what we speak today. Although modern English clearly has strong Latin elements, English definitely has strong Germanic elements in it as well - the foundation of the English language is Germanic. As someone who also speaks German I can attest to the fact that although it may not initially be very apparent to most people, English has strong Germanic elements which define it. What makes it such an interesting language is that it combines both Latin and Germanic elements, which, as far as I'm aware, makes English unique when it comes to common European languages.


where did you study? I also want to specialise in Old English or Old Norse literature :smile:

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