Lapdancing takes off among students struggling with fees
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Original post by Akkuz
You do for masters degrees.
One of the students in the OP wants to be a lawyer. I assume an LLB is not a masters. Hence the B meaning Bachelor of Laws and not Master of Laws.
Original post by Xhotas
You're an idiot.
HA!
I'm not the one fooled into thinking free education isn't viable, the government have more than enough money to spare for libya...
seeing as you have no arguement, my point is proven to be true and you don't want to admit it
tell ya something
It was those who got their universities free who took it away, if they REALLY believed education should be paid for then why didn't they make a charges in retrospect?.. cause they feel entitled to free education themselves!
think about that and weep for your own niave idiocy, the rich don't give a **** about you so you should change your view and join the rest of us in the real world
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Original post by Disastor
HA!
I'm not the one fooled into thinking free education isn't viable, the government have more than enough money to spare for libya...
seeing as you have no arguement, my point is proven to be true and you don't want to admit it
tell ya something
It was those who got their universities free who took it away, if they REALLY believed education should be paid for then why didn't they make a charges in retrospect?.. cause they feel entitled to free education themselves!
think about that and weep for your own niave idiocy, the rich don't give a **** about you so you should change your view and join the rest of us in the real world
I'm not the one fooled into thinking free education isn't viable, the government have more than enough money to spare for libya...
seeing as you have no arguement, my point is proven to be true and you don't want to admit it
tell ya something
It was those who got their universities free who took it away, if they REALLY believed education should be paid for then why didn't they make a charges in retrospect?.. cause they feel entitled to free education themselves!
think about that and weep for your own niave idiocy, the rich don't give a **** about you so you should change your view and join the rest of us in the real world
I come from an rich middle class family. I didn't need to make an argument as you're a troll, who's pushing too hard.
But if you're actually being serious then lol, have fun saving up for those tuition fees when I'm just going to use my loan then pay it back as I earn. Sure it'd be easier to pay it off at the start, but I'm not going to save up £9K by the time I'm 18. If you're trying to save money to live at uni because you, like myself, don't get any grants and therefore have to live off next to nothing and have to therefore learn and work then meh. Deal with it.
Pecunia non olet.
Original post by Foo.mp3
Sorry but if you think a woman working in a reasonably respectable job (largely thanks to her mental/academic faculties) is akin to being paid to be a piece of meat grinding up against strangers in the commoditisation of women stakes then you are seriously misguided son.. 
How does that make me misguided? That I don't automatically assume that stripping is a horrible job that has a negative effect on people? Oh my, I'm so sorry that I don't just blindly follow your bull****.
We are all commodities in this world. Stripping is no worse than being an office worker or a model. If you'd allow your daughter to go topless on a beach, you should have no issue with her stripping. Obviously it all depends on the club. If the club is dodgy, fine have a problem, but not when she's save and happy.
It's a job, in the end. If the stripper is stupid enough to base their entire perception of a sex on their customers, then well, there's not much help for them. If I based my perception of every drinker based on the drunks in Camden, I'd never talk to anyone who touched alcohol again. We always change when we experience new things, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's negative. That you assume it's going to be negative says more about you than anything else.
Original post by Foo.mp3
As for the normative aspect, you/liberal TSRian types with their head in utopian clouds may consider it outdated, however the majority of society still have these 'outdated' standards, and people are especially rigid when it comes to relaxing them for members of their family - that's the reality. With the odd exception (and I use the word odd quite deliberately) no-one wants their daughter to end up doing the above if they're honest..
Parents usually want different things for their children than the children themselves, you know. My parents wanted me to go into science and here I am, doing a social science in Iceland. Be that as it may, it seems you're confusing "being okay with" for "wanting" something. I doubt any parent would actively want their child to be a stripper, no, but that doesn't mean they won't be okay with it as long as the child is safe and happy.
Original post by Xhotas
I come from an rich middle class family. I didn't need to make an argument as you're a troll, who's pushing too hard.
But if you're actually being serious then lol, have fun saving up for those tuition fees when I'm just going to use my loan then pay it back as I earn. Sure it'd be easier to pay it off at the start, but I'm not going to save up £9K by the time I'm 18. If you're trying to save money to live at uni because you, like myself, don't get any grants and therefore have to live off next to nothing and have to therefore learn and work then meh. Deal with it.
But if you're actually being serious then lol, have fun saving up for those tuition fees when I'm just going to use my loan then pay it back as I earn. Sure it'd be easier to pay it off at the start, but I'm not going to save up £9K by the time I'm 18. If you're trying to save money to live at uni because you, like myself, don't get any grants and therefore have to live off next to nothing and have to therefore learn and work then meh. Deal with it.
Wow... it's exactly this passive attitude that let's the politicians and business owners know they can just walk all over us
You seriously are that lazy that you wouldn't even fight for your right to live the debt-free life that those who took it all away had?
I pity our generation... v_v'
Oh and btw... I am only pushing as hard for (what should be) our cause as those who wished for the opposite did, it's how change is made!
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I think it's a reasonable thing to presume that lapdance/etc workers are all over 18, and therefore can be considered independent adults.
Therefore if they choose to earn money through such a venture that is their decision and not the decision of their family/etc.
Selling one's body image is conceptually no different to selling any other abstract service.
Lapdancing and similar pay *significantly* better than just about every other source of income available to the typical student.
A woman when presented with the choice of shelf-stacking for a pittance and dealing with imbecile customers, or lapdancing a bit and making a relative fortune can hardly be faulted for making the sensible economic decision, if they find the terms of the job acceptable.
Therefore if they choose to earn money through such a venture that is their decision and not the decision of their family/etc.
Selling one's body image is conceptually no different to selling any other abstract service.
Lapdancing and similar pay *significantly* better than just about every other source of income available to the typical student.
A woman when presented with the choice of shelf-stacking for a pittance and dealing with imbecile customers, or lapdancing a bit and making a relative fortune can hardly be faulted for making the sensible economic decision, if they find the terms of the job acceptable.
Original post by Disastor
Wow... it's exactly this passive attitude that let's the politicians and business owners know they can just walk all over us
You seriously are that lazy that you wouldn't even fight for your right to live the debt-free life that those who took it all away had?
I pity our generation... v_v'
Oh and btw... I am only pushing as hard for (what should be) our cause as those who wished for the opposite did, it's how change is made!
You seriously are that lazy that you wouldn't even fight for your right to live the debt-free life that those who took it all away had?
I pity our generation... v_v'
Oh and btw... I am only pushing as hard for (what should be) our cause as those who wished for the opposite did, it's how change is made!
Erm, no. You're just trolling. You sound like a silly left wing socialist. I support tuition fees, if you want to go to university you should pay for it. As long as a loan is granted which is even erased after 30 years, you have to be a petty **** to complain about losing £12.50 a week to pay for 3 years of your life which you either enjoyed thoroughly or got you in that job in the first place. Now please, shut up.
Original post by flown_muse
Lol. Noone has to pay for fees upfront so this is the newspaper putting their own twist on it.
u do if student finance **** up your application and have to wait 1 month after u enrol
Original post by Yawn11
I wonder if they do student discounts for lapdances yet....
Well in Glasgow PRs for one of the lap dancing clubs give out discount passes.
I imagine its the same in other cities
Sounds like it's not the only thing being taken off.
I'd do it. Good money and I don't have any problems with being naked. Might be immoral but I don't care, it's not like I'm having sex with them, easy money.
Original post by Xhotas
Erm, no. You're just trolling. You sound like a silly left wing socialist. I support tuition fees, if you want to go to university you should pay for it. As long as a loan is granted which is even erased after 30 years, you have to be a petty **** to complain about losing £12.50 a week to pay for 3 years of your life which you either enjoyed thoroughly or got you in that job in the first place. Now please, shut up.
saying "shut up" invalidates anything you said, we don't abuse each other in a modern society, even "call me Dave" Cameron has to reply to his opposition leader in a respectful manner.
I shall answer your post this time, if you truly believe education should be paid for then you should also be for charging in retrospect of those who got their uni free and even got PAID to study (ie. grants).
They should be forced to pay for the money we spent on them in their years at university, it's everybody gets free or absolutely nobody gets free
Original post by Martyn*
What do the men/boys do?
Lapdancers in gay clubs / bachelorette parties / male strippers?
Awesome. Last time I went to a lap dance club for a friends birthday it was full of older women, even someone from their 50's was there. Made me shiver to the bones uuughhhh
The funny thing is, the women that I went along with said "I wouldn't mind doing this, this is actually good money", and that was last year when I was still in Uni.
dayum.
The funny thing is, the women that I went along with said "I wouldn't mind doing this, this is actually good money", and that was last year when I was still in Uni.
dayum.
Original post by flown_muse
Lol. Noone has to pay for fees upfront so this is the newspaper putting their own twist on it.
My thoughts exactly...the stats might be correct, but it's not to pay for tuition fee's. It is to cover the costs of living and student life! All this nonsense about students worrying about fees is ridiculous. The common conceptions and mindset of young people in this day and age largely indicates an attitude of 'worry about it later'. I've yet to meet a student concerned about how they will pay their tuition fee's back!
Original post by The Fez
Lapdancers in gay clubs / bachelorette parties / male strippers?
And just how many thin heterosexual pasty-faced students do you know who would go lapdancing in a gay bar or go stripping in front of hoard of frenzied females?
Good luck to any woman who fancies doing this, if the positions are vacant then what difference does it make if they are filled by students as opposed to anyone else?
IMO it's certainly not as "easy money" as it's made out to be. The women have to have thick enough skin to handle leering men lusting over their bodies, be comfortable enough to dance naked and most importantly be excellent sales people.
"Working" the room looking for potential customers may seem easy when you consider that the women are likely dressed in bikini's but they will be competing with more experienced colleagues also similarly dressed.
To anyone who succeeds, I say good luck to them. The skills learnt can probably be very easily transferred to most general sales jobs.
IMO it's certainly not as "easy money" as it's made out to be. The women have to have thick enough skin to handle leering men lusting over their bodies, be comfortable enough to dance naked and most importantly be excellent sales people.
"Working" the room looking for potential customers may seem easy when you consider that the women are likely dressed in bikini's but they will be competing with more experienced colleagues also similarly dressed.
To anyone who succeeds, I say good luck to them. The skills learnt can probably be very easily transferred to most general sales jobs.
Original post by Martyn*
And just how many thin heterosexual pasty-faced students do you know who would go lapdancing in a gay bar or go stripping in front of hoard of frenzied females?
Well, it requires attractiveness and confidence...I know some straight guys who work as strippers or go-go boys in gay clubs. Someone I know even put an ad in yellowpages.
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