abortion? right or wrong

actually i have read of childbirth being hte ultimate orgasm that a woman can have

Is a life support machine a physical part of a person?


Oh, and take the parents away from a 1 year old child and that'll die pretty soon too. So unless you approve of infanticide, I don't think you can say that giving somebody the necessary requirements to live makes them a part of that person.

Yes it is unfortunate that someone may get pregnant from Rape, which is a digusting crime. But, the baby is still growing just like any other pregnancy, there is nothing different about it - yet people seem to make a distinction between a 'rape baby' and a 'normally concieved baby'. The rape for me is irrelevant to the case, we are dealing to the the rights of an unborn child not the circumstances surrounding it.

The amin reason that abortion is legalised is because it stops women going to backstreet clinics (abortions would still be in demand even if it was illegal) ..

Surely you agree with this :

If we make abortion illegal, women will still go to these clinics. The NHS is then left to repair the damage.

actually i have read of childbirth being hte ultimate orgasm that a woman can have

Yeah, I agree. I don't want abortion to be made illegal, and I don't think I gave the impression that I did. I feel it's very wrong in some cases, and I don't show much sympathy to women who have one other than the "acceptable" reasons that almost everybody agrees on, but that doesn't mean I think it should be against the law. As said, it'd probably end up costing the taxpayer even more money, and wouldn't greatly reduce the number of abortions taking place anyway.

Saying that, I think that the ease and comfort in which a woman can get one now doesn't help the problem. Abortion should be seen as a necessary evil; as a last resort - not something that you can get in your lunch hour. It should probably be a little harder to get one - eg. you would have to obtain a court order to get one (which wouldn't be as hard as you might think, but would put the women who might be happy using abortion as contraception off having unprotected sex)




Uh huh. Would make a nice anti-abortion slogan, actualy.

On the 'adoption' argument. There are currently many children in care who are waiting to be adopted. There arent all these parents who want to adopt ... people are choosing now for surrogacy or IVF. Many of these children aren't going to be adopted, and are going to spend large proportions of their child life in care - which is psychologically damaging. Increasing the amount of adopted babies isn't going to be a good thing. There aren't enough childless couples to foster them.

Well, as I quite specifically said, I think the whole adoption system at the moment is ludicrous. I think the most basic of backgrounds checks should be run to check the potential adopters haven't been convicted of any serious criminal offences or suchlike, and then simply have the baby handed over to them. It's not like we snoop around parents when they've had their first natural child to check they're going to be perfect mummy's and daddy's - it shouldn't be much different for those who want to adopt.

It makes me laugh how Pro-choicers go on about pregnancy induced by rape. I'm not exactly sure on the statistics but I think this constitutes 0.02% of all pregnancies, and is thus, hardly a huge sticking point.

Exactly. Admitedly a fair proportion of unwanted pregnancies are due to failed contraception actualy, the majority are down to not using contraception in any shape or form. People really have to grow up and take responsibility for what they do, rather than whine and degrade rape victims by acting as if their self-inflicted unwanted pregnancy is anywhere near as painful to accept as those who have had it forcefully thrust upon them through rape.

but still, if they believe in abortions, they should be able to have them

i'm catagorically against abortion.

good for you, you dont have to have one, now kindly allow those who do wish to haev one, have one and be quiet.

What sort of flawed logic is that? Because somebody wants to do something, they should automatically be able to do it?

waht sort of flawed logic is it to say that because some people believe it is morally wrong to have a termination, then terminations should be banned. It is for the two organisms to decide, the mother and the father as to whether they want to have it.

waht sort of flawed logic is it to say that because some people believe it is morally wrong to have a termination, then terminations should be banned. It is for the two organisms to decide, the mother and the father as to whether they want to have it.

I believe Murder is OK if I hate the person enough. So stop infringing on my human rights and let me get on with it.

ok, well murder affects another sentient being, so society has to stop you