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droppin out of LLB....aargh!
I need some advice because Im goin head mental.
Im currently a 1st year at UWE doin the M100 Law LLB and I dont like it. I was accepted on the course even though I muffed up my A levels big time. This was partly because it was my colleges fault aswell (they dropped some of my courses half way through AND didnt provide teachers for half a year). I consider myself an intelligent person and I have good GCSE's but I cannot learn by their methods at uni, nor could I at college. Im not doing well on the LLB so I want to drop out. I really enjoy law however so was thinking that if I did a course in audio typing then I could get a job as a legal secretary with a law firm willing to sponsor me through the ILEX scheme. That way I will be kinda learning 'on the job' which I know works well for me and getting paid. Problem is who will want someone with crap a-levels that dropped out of uni?? Its not just the way of learning thats making me miserable, I miss home a lot and although Im not a weird, hermit, sociopath I dont enjoy the lifestyle (going out getting hammered, waking up in a strangers bed) so I just stay in my flat like a saddo.
What do you suggest??
Im currently a 1st year at UWE doin the M100 Law LLB and I dont like it. I was accepted on the course even though I muffed up my A levels big time. This was partly because it was my colleges fault aswell (they dropped some of my courses half way through AND didnt provide teachers for half a year). I consider myself an intelligent person and I have good GCSE's but I cannot learn by their methods at uni, nor could I at college. Im not doing well on the LLB so I want to drop out. I really enjoy law however so was thinking that if I did a course in audio typing then I could get a job as a legal secretary with a law firm willing to sponsor me through the ILEX scheme. That way I will be kinda learning 'on the job' which I know works well for me and getting paid. Problem is who will want someone with crap a-levels that dropped out of uni?? Its not just the way of learning thats making me miserable, I miss home a lot and although Im not a weird, hermit, sociopath I dont enjoy the lifestyle (going out getting hammered, waking up in a strangers bed) so I just stay in my flat like a saddo.
What do you suggest??
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I ended up with 2 a/s levels which were a rubbish C+C and 2 a levels which were even more rubbish C+D. Im am so much more clever than that!! (Im not saying that ppl with those grades aren't clever btw) I was predicted an A in law and got a measly C. I do not know what happened?!
I dont think its the actual university that I dislike, I think its the way you learn (which is pretty much the same everywhere -lectures/seminars/self-study).I also really like law so changing to a different course isnt an option. I need to learn vocationally, because when I do it like that I understand it completely and I dont forget it. With academic learning, I find it hard to grasp just by reading it/discussing it, and once I do understand I usually forget it. Im also missing home and UWE is the nearest uni to me that does law.
I dont think its the actual university that I dislike, I think its the way you learn (which is pretty much the same everywhere -lectures/seminars/self-study).I also really like law so changing to a different course isnt an option. I need to learn vocationally, because when I do it like that I understand it completely and I dont forget it. With academic learning, I find it hard to grasp just by reading it/discussing it, and once I do understand I usually forget it. Im also missing home and UWE is the nearest uni to me that does law.
Captain Chaos
I would say stick at it.
Just do as little work as possible, then what you do you'll enjoy it. Don't get yourself worked up over exams, it's not worth it. Go home at weekends if it makes you happy. If you don't like lectures, then don't go, just make sure you get the essays done and go to tutorials (where all the learning happens tbh).
An LLB is an awesome qualification which is worth suffering a bit for. Once you've got it, you can do whatever you like, but if you leave now, A-Levels don't count for much nowadays unfortunately.
Just do as little work as possible, then what you do you'll enjoy it. Don't get yourself worked up over exams, it's not worth it. Go home at weekends if it makes you happy. If you don't like lectures, then don't go, just make sure you get the essays done and go to tutorials (where all the learning happens tbh).
An LLB is an awesome qualification which is worth suffering a bit for. Once you've got it, you can do whatever you like, but if you leave now, A-Levels don't count for much nowadays unfortunately.
From what Ive researched, an LLB is a good degree to have if you do well e.g 2:1 or above. I work really hard and Im doin rubbish so at my rate I will end up with a fail or a 3rd. This is unlikely to secure me a career in law. Should I risk time/money/stress for something that is not that brilliant, or bite the bullet and go another route, which will take longer to get me where I want to be, but suit me better??
This is why I put "....aargh!" at the end of the thread title!! I think I will actually implode soon cus I am the most indecisive worry wort in the world.
If you like law but are not enjoying this year/univeristy, you could always either change university and finish this year then enter year 2 or see if you can re-do your first year at the new university, you may like a university away from home and stop getting homesick, where are you from?
You could always drop out, resit modules in your A Levels that you have already done and try and get your CDcc to something like BBbb between now and June then in the next academic year, do the A2's of the AS's you have and perhaps do some more AS's, or a full A Level in a year whilst reapplying to a different university. I've noticed Law firms asking for 300 UCAS points.
Theres always the option of a part time degree which although will take you longer you can do law related work enhancing your learning.
You could always drop out, resit modules in your A Levels that you have already done and try and get your CDcc to something like BBbb between now and June then in the next academic year, do the A2's of the AS's you have and perhaps do some more AS's, or a full A Level in a year whilst reapplying to a different university. I've noticed Law firms asking for 300 UCAS points.
Theres always the option of a part time degree which although will take you longer you can do law related work enhancing your learning.
I have some more questions if u don't mind.
Does any lecturer/learning professional know what you are going through? Are you suffering in silence? Does any other friend or student make of your plight? It is a shame if you are truly alone in your situation.
Doing the whole work/study thing as you mentioned is a LOT of work/effort and will be a drastic (sp?) change ..... are you ready for it?
In your shoes, I'd try and stick out the first year and during the vacation find out whether you can audio type and find somewhere to give u experience of being a legal secretary etc then reassess your situation then.
Good Luck!
Does any lecturer/learning professional know what you are going through? Are you suffering in silence? Does any other friend or student make of your plight? It is a shame if you are truly alone in your situation.
Doing the whole work/study thing as you mentioned is a LOT of work/effort and will be a drastic (sp?) change ..... are you ready for it?
In your shoes, I'd try and stick out the first year and during the vacation find out whether you can audio type and find somewhere to give u experience of being a legal secretary etc then reassess your situation then.
Good Luck!
well im gunna see a careers adviser tomorrow. I understand ILEX would be very hard work but that doesnt bother me. I am willing to put in the work but I need to be gaining from it. I just dont feel like I do studying academically and I honestly work hard. The main problem with the ILEX is getting a legal secretary job (which you need to be doing to qualify for ILEX). I would've had no problem doin this if I had applied straight from school and taken an audio course because all they seem to ask at entry level is good GCSE's and the ability to audio type. I have good GCSE's but as the saying goes "people only think u are as good as your last education". So Im screwed because my last education is a bit crap and if I stay at uni and still do rubbish I will be in exactly the same position just with a load of wasted time and money.
I know 4 people doing the ILEX course (3 of who I worked with) and none of them had A Levels, and not exactly fantastic GCSE results either. ILEX has many benefits - you can qualify as a lawyer without getting into debt, you get paid, learn the practical side of the law and you make a lot of contacts.
Sometimes I wish I went down that route!
Sometimes I wish I went down that route!
chick
well im gunna see a careers adviser tomorrow. I understand ILEX would be very hard work but that doesnt bother me. I am willing to put in the work but I need to be gaining from it. I just dont feel like I do studying academically and I honestly work hard. The main problem with the ILEX is getting a legal secretary job (which you need to be doing to qualify for ILEX). I would've had no problem doin this if I had applied straight from school and taken an audio course because all they seem to ask at entry level is good GCSE's and the ability to audio type. I have good GCSE's but as the saying goes "people only think u are as good as your last education". So Im screwed because my last education is a bit crap and if I stay at uni and still do rubbish I will be in exactly the same position just with a load of wasted time and money.
Re-do your A Levels and get the AAA you want then.
kirstinx
Re-do your A Levels and get the AAA you want then.
There is no need for this: AAAA and a Law degree from a prestigious University is not the only way into the law, in fact ILEX for some may prove a far better route- too many people self fund the LPC and then end up without a training contract and end up paralegalling whilst heavily in debt; ILEX offers a reliable route to becoming a solicitor. City firms are not everything and certainly not suited to all.
If you really hate your LLB course and your University that much, and you are going to end up with a third it may be worth pursuing another route. But one should not jump to hasty conclusions- it may be worth finishing your first year, seeing how well you do in your exams, and at the same time seeing whether you have been able to secure a place at a solicitors which will allow you to do ILEX. If for example you do badly in your first year exams and secure such a post you can always drop out- but making sure that your University cash your 120 credits at level 1 (your first year) into a Certificate of Higher Education (CertHE), this means that the fact you have completed your first year is recognised and that you do not have a glaring hole in your cv. If however you do particularly well, or are not able to secure such a position then you can always continue. If you do complete your LLB it will offer exemptions from certain ILEX exams.
PDJM
There is no need for this: AAAA and a Law degree from a prestigious University is not the only way into the law,
I wasnt saying there was, I am not going to get AAAA and go to a prestigious university but I am still going to do Law, it just seems like she is unhappy about her A Levels and if thats the way she feels then she could redo them to get the grades she wants.
chick
The main problem with the ILEX is getting a legal secretary job (which you need to be doing to qualify for ILEX).
I don't think this is true. I am pretty sure that you can start studying for the ILEX as long as you join as you meet the entry qualifications and pay the appropriate fees (enrollment, exam and subscription).
Sure, it will cost you money as opposed to your employer, but you can start studying soon enough.
You are right, many legal secretaries (from ILEX promo material at least) seem after a period of time want to study for the ILEX qualification, but I do not see that being a legal secretary is a prerequisite.
chick
I need some advice because Im goin head mental.
Im currently a 1st year at UWE doin the M100 Law LLB and I dont like it. I was accepted on the course even though I muffed up my A levels big time. This was partly because it was my colleges fault aswell (they dropped some of my courses half way through AND didnt provide teachers for half a year). I consider myself an intelligent person and I have good GCSE's but I cannot learn by their methods at uni, nor could I at college. Im not doing well on the LLB so I want to drop out. I really enjoy law however so was thinking that if I did a course in audio typing then I could get a job as a legal secretary with a law firm willing to sponsor me through the ILEX scheme. That way I will be kinda learning 'on the job' which I know works well for me and getting paid. Problem is who will want someone with crap a-levels that dropped out of uni?? Its not just the way of learning thats making me miserable, I miss home a lot and although Im not a weird, hermit, sociopath I dont enjoy the lifestyle (going out getting hammered, waking up in a strangers bed) so I just stay in my flat like a saddo.
What do you suggest??
Im currently a 1st year at UWE doin the M100 Law LLB and I dont like it. I was accepted on the course even though I muffed up my A levels big time. This was partly because it was my colleges fault aswell (they dropped some of my courses half way through AND didnt provide teachers for half a year). I consider myself an intelligent person and I have good GCSE's but I cannot learn by their methods at uni, nor could I at college. Im not doing well on the LLB so I want to drop out. I really enjoy law however so was thinking that if I did a course in audio typing then I could get a job as a legal secretary with a law firm willing to sponsor me through the ILEX scheme. That way I will be kinda learning 'on the job' which I know works well for me and getting paid. Problem is who will want someone with crap a-levels that dropped out of uni?? Its not just the way of learning thats making me miserable, I miss home a lot and although Im not a weird, hermit, sociopath I dont enjoy the lifestyle (going out getting hammered, waking up in a strangers bed) so I just stay in my flat like a saddo.
What do you suggest??
Where abouts is home? Could you transfer to a university nearer to home?
chick
I consider myself an intelligent person and I have good GCSE's but I cannot learn by their methods at uni, nor could I at college. Im not doing well on the LLB so I want to drop out.
Problem is who will want someone with crap a-levels that dropped out of uni?? I
Problem is who will want someone with crap a-levels that dropped out of uni?? I
1. You need to put in the effort until the subject "clicks". May take months for this to happen. Then it becomes like zen and study becomes nearly effortless and actually very enjoyable. At least that is how it is for me. I have to force myself to read my monthly quota of fiction, since I now find my study material so fascinating.
Looking at multiple textbooks for perspectives on how a subject works is something that I have found useful. I generally use 3 or more textbooks for each subject ( + the additional suggested reading + the reading lists from tutors )
. In addition, some of the journal articles by the famous names are often exciting reading. In your field it would be people like Hart, Amato, Raz, Finnis, Fuller, Cane and journals like the Harvard Law Review, Oxford Journal of Legal Studies, Cambridge Law Review. I find that all subjects are fascinating if you get into them in sufficent depth.2. If you have only 2 Cs and then compound your academic catastrophe by dropping out of uni, even getting a job as a legal secretary may become impossible.
Perhaps you should reduce your work load for a year. Will your university let you do just one subject during the next term ? I have a friend here at Oxford who had personal problems ( depression ) and obtained permission to do her Law degree over 4 years instead of 3 years. This enabled her to do less work in their first year. The tutors also made some allowances for her with essays and moderations. She has now recovered and is nicely on track again. Her tutors say that she will get a 1st, she says that she will be happy even she only gets a high 2:1.
Yes I have researched a lot into legal secretarys and they seem to only ask for decent GCSES ans the ability to audio type 50-60wpm. Ive never audio typed but I can regular type so I know I can do a course round the corner in audio typing for a week. Its a city&guilds one so it will be recognised by companies. The nearest uni to where I live is UWE. There are lots of jobs advertising for legal secretarys back home so they seem to be sought after. I do do a alot of extra reading as well and I have bought more books than I need to (and use them) but I still find it's not working for me.
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