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Oh I know! :p:
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Oh I know! :p:
Oh I'd sell my soul for a doughnut. [/homer]
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The fact I have been doing too much work for the first week back at uni is reflected in that I thought you were quoting Homer the Classical poet.
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The fact I have been doing too much work for the first week back at uni is reflected in that I thought you were quoting Homer the Classical poet.
As in Homer's Iliad?

Oh yes - Lourdes Pilgrimage Photos - http://www.salfordlourdes.co.uk/photos_2006
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I'm a bit overworked atm. :p:
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wow that salford diocese one looks cool. what does anyone think of the scrapping of 3 of the 8 holy days of obligation ?

more importantly, anyone going to Oct06?? 5 days left to book the tickets! do it for your children's children! do it for the Catholic speed dating!! :eek:
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(Original post by shinytoy)
wow that salford diocese one looks cool. what does anyone think of the scrapping of 3 of the 8 holy days of obligation ?

more importantly, anyone going to Oct06?? 5 days left to book the tickets! do it for your children's children! do it for the Catholic speed dating!! :eek:
I'm not old enough to go

But, I do find it funny that the Catholic church is promoting speed dating.

And yes, the diocese pilgrimage was very fun, a good mix of religion and socialising, with some fun in between :p:
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wow that salford diocese one looks cool. what does anyone think of the scrapping of 3 of the 8 holy days of obligation ?
It was. and what ?!?! I havent heard about this.

How on earth do they decide that, and which ones too, is it by straw pole; "Oops I pulled out Christmas, ah well...."
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It was. and what ?!?! I havent heard about this.

How on earth do they decide that, and which ones too, is it by straw pole; "Oops I pulled out Christmas, ah well...."
Yes, or more like "oops, I pulled on Christmas, ah well..." in some cases :p:
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(Original post by shinytoy)
wow that salford diocese one looks cool. what does anyone think of the scrapping of 3 of the 8 holy days of obligation ?

more importantly, anyone going to Oct06?? 5 days left to book the tickets! do it for your children's children! do it for the Catholic speed dating!! :eek:
?! :eek:
Sorry, I'm just a bit giggly atm, but whaaa?
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Yes, or more like "oops, I pulled on Christmas, ah well..." in some cases :p:
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?! :eek:
Sorry, I'm just a bit giggly atm, but whaaa?
www.oct06.org.uk

as part of the National Catholic Youth Event, its hoping to hold the largest ever Catholic Speed Dating! 4000 are attending the event, bout half or more will be doing the speed dating as the alternative is a taize worship with some monk across the town.

deej - on the website it says some people who are younger can go, but they strictly will not be allowed into the speed dating part.

anyone who wants to come, tickets are avaliable online but also avaliable at the event (£18 entry)

im the only one from my parish going!
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It was. and what ?!?! I havent heard about this.

How on earth do they decide that, and which ones too, is it by straw pole; "Oops I pulled out Christmas, ah well...."
three of the holy days of obligation have been 'transferred' to the following sunday after that holy day used to be held, thus combining with the usual obligation to attend mass on sunday and effectively obliterating the holy day. this includes Ascension which used to be a Thursday but now will be celebrated on the following sunday. Corpus Christi and Epiphany will also be 'transferred'. the only holy days left are:
St Peter & St Paul (29 June)
Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary (15 August)
All Saints (1 November)
Birth of the Lord (25 December)

*smells the stench of pandering to secular society*

maybe the next step will be to transfer all of the normal sunday mass obligations into christmas and easter only. then we only go to mass twice a year.:mad:
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The moving of the Holy Days of Obligation was a bit of a joke to be honest, especially as it came out of nowhere, just one day we were told what had happened!

Surely the Catholic Church being universal should celebrate important feast days on the same day! Which they dont.
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The moving of the Holy Days of Obligation was a bit of a joke to be honest, especially as it came out of nowhere, just one day we were told what had happened!

Surely the Catholic Church being universal should celebrate important feast days on the same day! Which they dont.
Every single parishioner in every single church, in every single diocese of England and Wales was invited to give comments and asked for opinions on Holydays over three years ago, so it has hardly come out of no where!

I am attaching a link that gives some of the reasons for some of the moves to the nearest Sunday - it might help explain things rather than us just complaining and making judgemental comments that have no basis in fact.

http://www.totalcatholic.com/faith/f...h20060903.html
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While the article gives many reasons for why the holydays of obligation were moved to a sunday, the principal reason given was due to the current poor attendance at the holydays.

The argument given was my main reason for opposing it.
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While the article gives many reasons for why the holydays of obligation were moved to a sunday, the principal reason given was due to the current poor attendance at the holydays.

The argument given was my main reason for opposing it.
Do you think it's better to have a near empty church on a Holyday or a full church celebrating the reason for the holyday on a Sunday? :confused:
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Well I think that we would have to ask why do we have to accommodate people in 2006, when Catholics have been able to go to mass on Holydays for centuries, through poverty, war and persecution. Why can't they go now all of a sudden?

Secondly what else should we change about the religion to encourage greater participation? should we change doctrine? perhaps reduce the length of mass altogether!

The issue over the three holydays moving to the nearest Sunday is a rather small issue, and I dont mind it particularly - however it's another decision taken by the Church in England & Wales which lacks great logic, like allowing married ex-Anglican vicars to become Priests, while not allowing married Priests. Both decisions lack reason or logic.
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Well I think that we would have to ask why do we have to accommodate people in 2006, when Catholics have been able to go to mass on Holydays for centuries, through poverty, war and persecution. Why can't they go now all of a sudden?
Unfortunately, the demands of employment, the wish to lead a more extravagant lifestyle and the fact that we have less priests who are able to say more Masses to fit in with the hours that people are free to worship means that people are not so easily able to get to Mass as they were formerly.

Secondly what else should we change about the religion to encourage greater participation? should we change doctrine? perhaps reduce the length of mass altogether!
Do you suggest that we completely change the Liturgy by leaving out the Creed, the Gospel, the Homily, the Preface, the Introit and proceed directly to the Consecration to enable the Mass to be over in 5-6 minutes? If people are unable to get to Mass during the week for Holydays of Obligation, they are not going to get to Mass regardless how short it is.

The issue over the three holydays moving to the nearest Sunday is a rather small issue, and I dont mind it particularly - however it's another decision taken by the Church in England & Wales which lacks great logic, like allowing married ex-Anglican vicars to become Priests, while not allowing married Priests. Both decisions lack reason or logic.
Moving Holydays is logical because of the situation. Regarding the other matter, I should have thought that the Church hierachy were in a much better position than any of us to determine the reasons and logic of why this decision was made.

I thank you however for raising it. I'll do some research and find out the reasons for the decision. I don't like to condemn out of hand - I prefer to be able to come to a conclusion based on full information.
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I should have thought that the Church hierachy were in a much better position than any of us to determine the reasons and logic of why this decision was made.
I'm not as faithful in the decisions of Westminster as you seem to be, this not being the only issue.

I prefer to be able to come to a conclusion based on full information
Sadly we were never given it!

An article in response to your earlier one:

http://www.adoremus.org/0906HolyDays.html

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