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Does your post actually have a point? and i dont see why this is brought up when we are talking about the NT.

well what the hell do you expect? its hard when you're down to 10 men and the priority is not to concede since you'd probably go out. Australia held a lot of position but created nothing. They did not take advantage of italy going down to 10 while italy still looked dangerous when down to 10 (gattuso's cross, yaks shot over the bar). Australi have only themselves to blame for being toothless in attack.

lazio, milan and fiorentina only had secondary roles. The main protaganit was juve and that scumbag moggi. Nothing to do with the italian NT.

Yes it does, again, i find it worrying that you don't see the blindingly obvious.

It does have relevance, as we're deconstructing your arguments...you say the Italian didn't cheat, video evidence confirms him to have done so, it is widely held perspective that he cheated by his deliberately trailing of left leg....and now, you say that there isn't that much of a match fixing problem/crisis in Italian football. This is all amounts to why people shouldn't take your opinions seriously....so it's all relevant, and not 'going off on a tangent' as such...

What tosh.
There are no secondary roles in cheating, your either involved or not.

Which doesn't necessarily mean Australia deserved nothing. Italy were as defensive with 11 men as they were with 10. When they went foward it was with 2's and 3's rather than 6's and 7's. Italy had some chances (I emphasise the word some) but never bombarded the goal. All in all it was a close match IMO, and unlucky on Australia in the circumstances that Italy had already settled for extra time/penalties.

Australia had possesion, but Italy had all the chances and it was a matter of time before they scored if Matrix hadnt been sent off.

They obviously didnt settle for pens since Grosso was still going for it at the death. Dont see how Australia were "unlucky", though it was good to see Hiddink left with a bitter taste in his mouth after what happened 4 years ago.

i'm sorry? My opinion of the pen differs from you, yet you cant take that. You always have to be right. Video confirms nothing, and just because you think he dived does not mean it is a "widely held perspective". Listen to what the BBC pundits said. My opinion - Neil was impeding Grosso - penalty in my book.

You've obviously got your facts wrong in the 2nd bit. I know there is a big match fixing scandal and i'm very ashamed of it. I hope whoever is guily is punsihed and it is eradicated from our game. Thing is, i'd rather not talk about it in a World Cup thread since it has no relevance.

yep i think we should listen to you - you're obviously an expert on this topic.

I am right, it's a fact. Fact is, it is widely held the Italian cheated thus to achieve the penalty, not because i said so....so stop spinning things. The BBC pundits - yes, we should adhere wholeheartedly to what they say because they are who they are

As to the match fixing, you lightheartedly looked at it, "Juventus, not Italy" - you were clearly making lightwork of the whole situation, it not only effects the top league in Italy, but most likely the league below the top league. It has huge repercussions, business, politics, loads of influences, effects and alike. It hardly reflects Italy in a good light, does it? I advise others to take your posts, and the opinions you 'articulate', with a pinch (make it a bloody big spoon...) of salt...

i'm sorry? My opinion of the pen differs from you, yet you cant take that. You always have to be right. Video confirms nothing, and just because you think he dived does not mean it is a "widely held perspective". Listen to what the BBC pundits said. My opinion - Neil was impeding Grosso - penalty in my book.

You've obviously got your facts wrong in the 2nd bit. I know there is a big match fixing scandal and i'm very ashamed of it. I hope whoever is guily is punsihed and it is eradicated from our game. Thing is, i'd rather not talk about it in a World Cup thread since it has no relevance.

Actually video footage proves that hes a cheat, his feet are off the floor even before contact is made, the aussie defender was on the floor a long while before he 'tripped' him plenty of room to side step around if he wanted to but no me jumped over/into him with a trailing leg as he was diving to the ground to roll around.

Hes going to win an oscar this year for that dive. SHAME ON HIM what a disgrase to the game

Thats not a fact! again, just because you think it was a dive does not mean that is what is widely held. Ignore my point about the BBC pundits then - but its more proof that what you're saying is not the "widely held fact" that you are making it out to be.

As for the 2nd para - you're wrong - i was making the distinction between juve and the NT since the NT had nothing to do with the current scandal. If you wanna talka bout the scandal though, we'll do it in another thread. You must be very deluded though if you think this kind of stuff only happens in Italy! Look mate, just because my opnions on some issues differ from yours, you dont have to start telling other people "dont listen to this guy". Its totally out of order.

BTW Alan Curbishley said it was a pen!

so much for saying it is "a widely held fact" that it was a dive

It is a fact - video evidence. Anyway, people don't need to listen to me and my opinions, they can construct their own interpretations of your 'arguments', but i'd expect them to come to similar conclusions as to my own, and some, (soon-to-be-many i'm confident...) have already done so it seems.

he doesnt have to side step him/jump over since as soon as he's gone to the floor, Neil is impeding Grosso's path. Grosso doesnt have to go round him.

... worked his way into the box before falling over Lucas Neill's prone body.

Just because one man says he thinks it was a penalty, it doesn't mean it's NOT a 'widely held fact'...

I pray you're being sarcastic with your comment there. Otherwise, you're more deluded than i thought you were...