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Hot and Cold

[I'm posting anonymously just in case anyone I know reads this - it's not "in the open" yet].

I'm at University in my first year. There's a girl here who I have got to know quite well over the course of the first term; our respective flats used to spend a lot of time together (slightly less this second term though). She is not flirty as such, but she's one of those people who just makes you feel amazing when she gives you any attention (this is something my friends agree with) - not to mention she is beautiful and intelligent. We always got on well last term and this term she is taking the same module as me and now and then after lectures she pops back to my room and ends up staying for a few hours. We chat about all sorts and have quite a few things in common. Recently, after these chats, she has started saying I should "come over later" because she'll be bored. I can't even begin to explain what it's like when she gives you attention; it's as though you're the only guy in the world and she's ridiculously happy to be in your company. From the three guys in my flat who visit her flat a lot she has started saying I'm her favourite - which is great... but... read on.

You're probably thinking "well, what's the problem?". The thing is, she can also show the most crushing levels of indifference. It's not the case that she's directly horrible, it's more as though I am barely noticeable to her at times. Also, as fishing-for-compliments as it may sound, I am not entirely sure why she would be interested in me. We were out the other night and dancing sort of as a group, she barely looked at me and spent the entire night with her girlfriends. I can understand that, but surely if she liked me there would be more effort somehow? Also there have been a few snippets of conversation she's had when I've been around which have made me think. First she said she's not good at commitment - which might explain things a little. Secondly she does make the odd reference to me (in a group with my mates) as a friend. Thirdly she said someone being attractive and a "nice guy" is not enough - there has to be some depth. What does this mean; what sort of stuff? When we chat it's about all sorts, from our subject to politics, to art, to lighter things, but I am not sure if that's the sort of thing.

So yes, as the title suggests, she is very much hot and cold. Never overtly interested in anything other than friendship and never horrible - just enigmatic. It's hard to judge over the internet I expect, but could anyone give any advice on this? What makes a girl act like this? Oh and btw, I should add, I would say that this girl is quite out of my league - not ridiculously so, but certainly she could get someone "better".

I'm also not sure what my next move should/would be. I wish I knew how she felt. At the moment I am thinking I will just wait and see how things develop. One of her good friends asked my best mate whether I liked her (he does know - one of the few people I've told, but asked not to tell others) and he said he wasn't sure and asked if the girl liked me. The answer was neither yes nor no. The lack of negative is good, but it's not positive as such.

Anyway, any comments would be interesting to read. I don't normally fall for girls quite this way so it's a little confusing.

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Reply 1

Any thoughts? Sorry, it's just really bugging me and I have limited people I want to tell in real life. Also H&R always seems quite insightful...

Reply 2

Why don't you ask one of your friends to ask her what the deal is (ie if she likes you or not)? You need to know how she feels. May be she doesn't like you, may be she's just being friendly. I can be like that sometimes.

Reply 3

Xanthe
Why don't you ask one of your friends to ask her what the deal is (ie if she likes you or not)? You need to know how she feels. May be she doesn't like you, may be she's just being friendly. I can be like that sometimes.

Well I don't think she's just being friendly in a kind of distant way - she is not the kind of person who needs to keep people on good terms all the time and wouldn't be fake about something like this. I don't really want her to know I like her if she's not thinking the same kind of thing. One of my mates (being his normal tactful self) came into my room as she and I were talking and said to her "You're in here loads nowadays, there must be something going on between you two!". Again her reaction wasn't like "No way", but it wasn't positive as such - she didn't say anything in fact IIRC. Argh - it's so hard to read her, most girls are much simpler. Also people have apparently started to say they think I like her - I am as easy to read as a bloody book clearly. :rolleyes:

Reply 4

I know there's not much to say - but comment anyway; any insights at all! I really like her...

Reply 5

i know a girl rather like this, she's ridiculously good looking and flirty, and i get the impression that in the right situation we could take things to the next level. sadly (for me) a few months after meeting this girl my flatmate got in there and is still with her after 6 months, story of my life...
i guess you don't know till you try....

Reply 6

Great post - you write very well, I'd like to see more of that on these boards. My advice to you would be to flirt with her when you get the opportunity, and try to read her body language as she sounds ambiguous in what she does and does not say. If she has positive body language when she is around you and communicating with you then chances are she's into you.

You have to tread carefully, because you could really screw this one up if you say something that's too forward.

Another approach she might respect you for is to be honest with her about how you feel and try to get her to open up, at least then you would know her intentions. You have to do this romantically by the way, don't just ask - invite her for a moonlit walk or whatever, you get the picture.

Reply 7

Thank you all. Some helpful points there. If anyone else wants to say something that'd be great - I'm not entirely sure why, but I feel such a strong need to talk about this... it's very strange.

Reply 8

Firstly, as JackO said, you do write really well. Good on ya for that.

Hmm.. difficult question really. Though, I'd say I might behave in a similar way to her in certain situations. Let's assume I liked this guy that "wasn't in my league" I probably wouldn't want everyone to know about it. So, I'd act friendly toward the guy, maybe even try to drop a few hints to him and/or his friends, I might've also told one or two of my best friends. But, in a group of people or when there are loads of other people around who I don't know but they go to the same class or something (eg. out at a bar or other social event), I might not want to make it too obvious that I like this guy, so I wouldn't be too friendly toward him at that time.
Does that make sense?

As for the stuff she's said about 'depth', I don't know what she means. If I said something like that, I would hope the guy understood that I want more from him than just good looks and the generally being nice. "More" meaning a good friendship and someone that's fun to be with all around.
Hope that helps.

Any more questions, just ask!

Reply 9

starya
Firstly, as JackO said, you do write really well. Good on ya for that.

Hmm.. difficult question really. Though, I'd say I might behave in a similar way to her in certain situations. Let's assume I liked this guy that "wasn't in my league" I probably wouldn't want everyone to know about it. So, I'd act friendly toward the guy, maybe even try to drop a few hints to him and/or his friends, I might've also told one or two of my best friends. But, in a group of people or when there are loads of other people around who I don't know but they go to the same class or something (eg. out at a bar or other social event), I might not want to make it too obvious that I like this guy, so I wouldn't be too friendly toward him at that time.
Does that make sense?

As for the stuff she's said about 'depth', I don't know what she means. If I said something like that, I would hope the guy understood that I want more from him than just good looks and the generally being nice. "More" meaning a good friendship and someone that's fun to be with all around.
Hope that helps.

Any more questions, just ask!

Thanks! Yes, I understand what you mean by the different behaviour in certain social circumstances. It's interesting, perhaps you're right. I mean, this might be wishful thinking, but I am sure she did sort of glance over at me now and then. This probably is going to sound mean about her, but she actually is very conscious of her friends' perceptions about a lot of things. Then again - I'd like to think that liking me wouldn't be the very worst thing she could do socially! I think if she does like me, it's quite a mild crush whereas I actually am far too into her for my own good.

Reply 10

Hmmm . . . always a toughie! It's one of the age old problems isn't it? Shall I tell her and just hope that she feels the same way, or should I not tell her incase she doesn't feel the same and then risk spoiling the friendship. I'm one for honesty, personally. There are means and ways though. I don't neccessarily think bringing it up during a slap up meal would be appropriate because that might put her "on the spot" too much. She may feel trapped. Perhaps talking over a drink at the bar AFTER dinner would put her more at ease. Just compliment her on things that you find attractive (and I don't mean "Oh you have lovely eyes" neither!) Compliment on things that you genuinely like and on things that are unique to her.

Be brave, compliment, don't be anyone else except yourself, then bite the bullet. Sometimes the risk pays off.

Good Luck mate.

Reply 11

Anonymous
This probably is going to sound mean about her, but she actually is very conscious of her friends' perceptions about a lot of things. Then again - I'd like to think that liking me wouldn't be the very worst thing she could do socially!

Well most people care about what they're friends think of them, so that's understandable. Liking you might not be the worst thing, not even close, but for whatever reason she might want to keep it quiet. I would, and it wouldn't really matter who the guy is. But then again, I can't know what she's thinking or why she behaves the way she does.

As I see it, there's a chance she'll say no. I'd encourage you to ask her, but you need to think of what's best for you. If you ask, and she says no, what happens? You lose the friendship that you have with her, but at least you know she doesn't feel the same and thus you can move on with your life (Maybe.. that might not be the case). If she says yes, well then we have no problem.
If you don't ask her, you obviously won't know for sure how she feels.
So, do you want to know and risk asking her whatever the answer is, or do you want to not ask and not know the answer (but also not risk anything)?
In any case, if you do ask her, do it when no one else is around so there's no pressure.

Reply 12

Thanks for the further advice. I haven't seen her yesterday or today - it doesn't seem good; I expect if she were interested there would be more effort to see me. Perhaps I will tonight. I'll see how things feel and gauge her reactions (God, it all sounds like such hard work!) and then decide how to carry on. I really like her though. I'm meant to be working today but I just can't concentrate.

Starya - it's interesting what you said about wanting to keep it quiet (regardless of the guy). Would it stop you going out with a person you actually quite liked? I don't understand why you wouldn't want people to know...

Reply 13

Yes, you should just ask her, the sooner the better because already it appears to be affecting you badly and she will begin to sense this. If the friendship is genuine then it will not be lost. Granted it may be awkward for a while but for piece of mind this is a small price to pay.

Reply 14

Anonymous
[I'm posting anonymously just in case anyone I know reads this - it's not "in the open" yet].

I'm at University in my first year. There's a girl here who I have got to know quite well over the course of the first term; our respective flats used to spend a lot of time together (slightly less this second term though). She is not flirty as such, but she's one of those people who just makes you feel amazing when she gives you any attention (this is something my friends agree with) - not to mention she is beautiful and intelligent. We always got on well last term and this term she is taking the same module as me and now and then after lectures she pops back to my room and ends up staying for a few hours. We chat about all sorts and have quite a few things in common. Recently, after these chats, she has started saying I should "come over later" because she'll be bored. I can't even begin to explain what it's like when she gives you attention; it's as though you're the only guy in the world and she's ridiculously happy to be in your company. From the three guys in my flat who visit her flat a lot she has started saying I'm her favourite - which is great... but... read on.

You're probably thinking "well, what's the problem?". The thing is, she can also show the most crushing levels of indifference. It's not the case that she's directly horrible, it's more as though I am barely noticeable to her at times. Also, as fishing-for-compliments as it may sound, I am not entirely sure why she would be interested in me. We were out the other night and dancing sort of as a group, she barely looked at me and spent the entire night with her girlfriends. I can understand that, but surely if she liked me there would be more effort somehow? Also there have been a few snippets of conversation she's had when I've been around which have made me think. First she said she's not good at commitment - which might explain things a little. Secondly she does make the odd reference to me (in a group with my mates) as a friend. Thirdly she said someone being attractive and a "nice guy" is not enough - there has to be some depth. What does this mean; what sort of stuff? When we chat it's about all sorts, from our subject to politics, to art, to lighter things, but I am not sure if that's the sort of thing.

So yes, as the title suggests, she is very much hot and cold. Never overtly interested in anything other than friendship and never horrible - just enigmatic. It's hard to judge over the internet I expect, but could anyone give any advice on this? What makes a girl act like this? Oh and btw, I should add, I would say that this girl is quite out of my league - not ridiculously so, but certainly she could get someone "better".

I'm also not sure what my next move should/would be. I wish I knew how she felt. At the moment I am thinking I will just wait and see how things develop. One of her good friends asked my best mate whether I liked her (he does know - one of the few people I've told, but asked not to tell others) and he said he wasn't sure and asked if the girl liked me. The answer was neither yes nor no. The lack of negative is good, but it's not positive as such.

Anyway, any comments would be interesting to read. I don't normally fall for girls quite this way so it's a little confusing.


By the by, you wouldn't happen to be reading English at Oxford would you?

Reply 15

Anonymous
[I'm posting anonymously just in case anyone I know reads this - it's not "in the open" yet].

I'm at University in my first year. There's a girl here who I have got to know quite well over the course of the first term; our respective flats used to spend a lot of time together (slightly less this second term though). She is not flirty as such, but she's one of those people who just makes you feel amazing when she gives you any attention (this is something my friends agree with) - not to mention she is beautiful and intelligent. We always got on well last term and this term she is taking the same module as me and now and then after lectures she pops back to my room and ends up staying for a few hours. We chat about all sorts and have quite a few things in common. Recently, after these chats, she has started saying I should "come over later" because she'll be bored. I can't even begin to explain what it's like when she gives you attention; it's as though you're the only guy in the world and she's ridiculously happy to be in your company. From the three guys in my flat who visit her flat a lot she has started saying I'm her favourite - which is great... but... read on.

You're probably thinking "well, what's the problem?". The thing is, she can also show the most crushing levels of indifference. It's not the case that she's directly horrible, it's more as though I am barely noticeable to her at times. Also, as fishing-for-compliments as it may sound, I am not entirely sure why she would be interested in me. We were out the other night and dancing sort of as a group, she barely looked at me and spent the entire night with her girlfriends. I can understand that, but surely if she liked me there would be more effort somehow? Also there have been a few snippets of conversation she's had when I've been around which have made me think. First she said she's not good at commitment - which might explain things a little. Secondly she does make the odd reference to me (in a group with my mates) as a friend. Thirdly she said someone being attractive and a "nice guy" is not enough - there has to be some depth. What does this mean; what sort of stuff? When we chat it's about all sorts, from our subject to politics, to art, to lighter things, but I am not sure if that's the sort of thing.

So yes, as the title suggests, she is very much hot and cold. Never overtly interested in anything other than friendship and never horrible - just enigmatic. It's hard to judge over the internet I expect, but could anyone give any advice on this? What makes a girl act like this? Oh and btw, I should add, I would say that this girl is quite out of my league - not ridiculously so, but certainly she could get someone "better".

I'm also not sure what my next move should/would be. I wish I knew how she felt. At the moment I am thinking I will just wait and see how things develop. One of her good friends asked my best mate whether I liked her (he does know - one of the few people I've told, but asked not to tell others) and he said he wasn't sure and asked if the girl liked me. The answer was neither yes nor no. The lack of negative is good, but it's not positive as such.

Anyway, any comments would be interesting to read. I don't normally fall for girls quite this way so it's a little confusing.


By the by; you wouldn't happen to be reading English at Oxford, would you?

Reply 16

Just talk to her, and don't sell yourself short by saying "she can do better." Give it a try. Also, you said she can seem quite indifferent but everyone feels ignored sometimes and the majority of the time it's unintentional.
As for when you're out, girls sometimes like to spend time with their girlfriends, especially as she seems to hang out with you a lot already.
Just ask her how she feels and remember, it's better know now if she doesn't "see you in that way", than allowing your crush to get to a point when you feel you can't just be friends with her.
Good luck!

Reply 17

I sympathise with your situation hun, It must be quite tough not knowing how she feels. Firstly I would stop saying your 'Out of her league' Because no ones ever too good for you, or anyone. Maybe when you guys go out in big groups shes shy in spending time with you? Especially going out/Clubbing as its a very different social situation then just sitting around in a room for example.

Reply 18

Whatever you do, don't tell her you like her until you get more hints from her that she may feel the same way. I was in your situation once upon a time, all my friends gave me "great" advice (not!) as they all reckoned the bloke in question liked me but was shy - so I more or less told him I fancied the pants off him on a night out. Turned out he did like me but as a friend, I made him laugh etc. I felt like an idiot especially a few months later when he lost his head over this beautiful, model-esque girl who was so not interested in him.. anyway I digress. I'm sure she knows you like her, most guys are rather transparent (although I'm not the best person to give advice on that, see above) My suggestion is: just keep being friends with her and maybe flirt with another girl when you're together, if she likes you in a romantic way she will not be able to hide her disappoval... But do not tell her you like her unless you have enough evidence that she sees you as a future romantic partner. Unless you don't mind things being awkward for a while - until she starts seeing someone else, then things may be come very awkward.

Reply 19

Anonymous
Starya - it's interesting what you said about wanting to keep it quiet (regardless of the guy). Would it stop you going out with a person you actually quite liked? I don't understand why you wouldn't want people to know...

It would depend on how sure I am of my feelings and how sure I am of his feelings. If I'm totally into him and know he feels the same, then I wouldn't mind people knowing.
If I'm not sure of my feelings I might not want to make it a big deal incase I then decide that I don't like him that much.
If I'm not sure of his feelings, I wouldn't want everyone to know in fear of it seeming silly if he really has no feelings for me.
I can't fully explain it, but it makes sense in my head.. :p: