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    If your best friend asked you to be godparent to their new baby, and you morally object to the forcing of religion upon kids, and find the whole concept of religion morally bankrupt and fully disagree with the hocus-pocus and theatre of it all... what would you do?

    Would you go through with the theatre of it all (EVEN if you havent been christened yourself)

    or would you just tell your friend what you think?
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    hocus pocus?...ouch

    hmm..well its more of a gesture these days isnt it..people are choose 'god parents'/aunties/uncles for their kids even if they arnt religious..i suppose it depends how religious/ how seriously the parents believe in that aspect of it


    also..its a privilage to be asked that..if you dont really want to do it..then im sure someone else would love to

    i take it these are good friends...why dont they know your stance on religion?..

    a tricky one...

    (Original post by bone-machine)
    hocus pocus?...ouch

    hmm..well its more of a gesture these days isnt it..people are choose 'god parents'/aunties/uncles for their kids even if they arnt religious..i suppose it depends how religious/ how seriously the parents believe in that aspect of it


    also..its a privilage to be asked that..if you dont really want to do it..then im sure someone else would love to

    i take it these are good friends...why dont they know your stance on religion?..

    a tricky one...

    yeah, they are good friends they know what i think yet still ask. I thought it was going to be a naming ceremony originally.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    If your best friend asked you to be godparent to their new baby, and you morally object to the forcing of religion upon kids, and find the whole concept of religion morally bankrupt and fully disagree with the hocus-pocus and theatre of it all... what would you do?

    Would you go through with the theatre of it all (EVEN if you havent been christened yourself)

    or would you just tell your friend what you think?
    I'm agnostic - but if I was asked to do I'd simply explain to them what I was prepared to do. You can offer moral guidance and protection to your best friend's child (the primary function of a godparent) without it having to be associated with any real form of religion. If you explain that is what you're prepared to do - and they are happy with that alone - then it's not really that much hassle partaking in the charade/orchestry of the ceremony just to keep your friend happy, I feel.

    If you view it as doing a service to your friend, I can't really see why there should be that much of a problem. Plus, in all fairness, if you don't have any faith in the ceremony it's essentially meaningless that you're partaking in it. The only thing you would stand to gain from not taking part was upsetting your friend. You'll be as involved in the child's life, presumably, whether you were their godparent or not, I'd think.

    I would think it's also quite an honour and realistically, you're going to be quite involved in the child's life and it could remain a sore point in the relationship with your friend if you refuse.
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    My friends have just had a baby and they are going to ask me and my boyfriend to be godparents. I'm not particularly religious myself but I feel really honoured, because it;s quite a big thing!
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    Being baptised isn't forcing the religion at all, I was baptised when I was little and I'm an atheist.

    You should conisder it an honour that they've asked you to be the Godparent
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    I'm the only mildy religious one in my family, the only times my parents and sisters go to church is at christmas to hear the carols!

    My sisters and I have all been baptised though, and we all have godparents, even though we're not religious (except me).
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Would you go through with the theatre of it all (EVEN if you havent been christened yourself)
    I don't think you're allowed to be a godparent if you haven't been christened.

    I would do it anyway. I'm not religious but it's not like I don't celebrate Christmas, so why not be a godparent?
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    I would say straight out that I didn't feel I could do it
    I know that in modern society godparents are often no more than surrogate aunts or uncles. But you have to stand in a church and say you reject the devil and his rebellion against God, you renounce deceit and evil and that you repent of your sins. Which if you don't is lying so even if you don't feel bad about God then still... it's like a false application for a job. If your friends are doing it as like a safety net (you know just incase there is a God) then they may not have aproblem with it but they should at least know
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    Why not ask them exactly what the ceremony entails?

    If it's a full on service with prayers and promises to lead by example in religion terms, then I'd politely decline. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable lying to people, particularly as there will be people with strong faith in attendance.

    But if it is really just a naming ceremony and they're using the term godparent as there isn't really a secular equivilent, then I'd go for it.


    I'm sure they'll understand either way.
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    Like hugatree has already mentioned, I think that you have to have been baptised to be a godparent. Depends what denomination of Christianity, I guess, and how relaxed the vicar is. Personally, I would regard it as an honour, but I'm vaguely religious, so I guess I'm biased ^-^*
    Remember that being a god parent isn't just about guiding the child towards religion, its about supporting them and providing advice, and all the nice things that you can do with them, without having the responsibility of it being your own kid (Taking them to the zoo and silly things like that to recapture your own childhood )
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    If your best friend asked you to be godparent to their new baby, and you morally object to the forcing of religion upon kids, and find the whole concept of religion morally bankrupt and fully disagree with the hocus-pocus and theatre of it all... what would you do?

    Would you go through with the theatre of it all (EVEN if you havent been christened yourself)

    or would you just tell your friend what you think?
    I had a godmother and have two godbrothers and a godsister. I am not religious and neither is my 'godfamily'. I think its just done as a nice gesture ie your friend respects you and likes you so much they want you to have a role in their kid's life.
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    Tell your friend your objections and exactly what you're prepared to do in the role. Then, by all means, go for it! I'm from an atheist family with 2 atheist godparents (both living abroad) - but my godmother is [corniness] one of by best friends [/corniness], and while she's taught me absolutely nothing about God (I think she's Jewish anyway) she HAS taught me how to take the neck off a bottle of champagne with a heavy knife and lots of other similarly important stuff!
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    I'm agnostic, but I was baptised, and I'm glad I was.
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    (Original post by dogtanian)
    Why not ask them exactly what the ceremony entails?

    If it's a full on service with prayers and promises to lead by example in religion terms, then I'd politely decline. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable lying to people, particularly as there will be people with strong faith in attendance.

    But if it is really just a naming ceremony and they're using the term godparent as there isn't really a secular equivilent, then I'd go for it.


    I'm sure they'll understand either way.

    its definitly not going to be a naming ceremony anymore, its going to be a full blown religious thing, mainly so the child can get married when he gets older?
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    First, thanks to everyone thats replied.

    (Original post by dogtanian)
    Why not ask them exactly what the ceremony entails?

    If it's a full on service with prayers and promises to lead by example in religion terms, then I'd politely decline. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable lying to people, particularly as there will be people with strong faith in attendance.

    But if it is really just a naming ceremony and they're using the term godparent as there isn't really a secular equivilent, then I'd go for it.


    I'm sure they'll understand either way.

    its not going to be a naming ceremony, when i originally agreed i thought it would be, but now its going to be a full on religious thing so that he can get married in church when hes older.
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    [QUOTE=bone-machine]hocus pocus?...ouch

    hmm..well its more of a gesture these days isnt it..people are choose 'god parents'/aunties/uncles for their kids even if they arnt religious..i suppose it depends how religious/ how seriously the parents believe in that aspect of it


    also..its a privilage to be asked that..if you dont really want to do it..then im sure someone else would love to

    i take it these are good friends...why dont they know your stance on religion?..

    a tricky one...[/QUOTE ]
    Sorry if this has aready been said, but your not allowed to be a godparent if you are not baptised.

    First, thanks to everyone thats replied.

    (Original post by dogtanian)
    Why not ask them exactly what the ceremony entails?

    If it's a full on service with prayers and promises to lead by example in religion terms, then I'd politely decline. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable lying to people, particularly as there will be people with strong faith in attendance.

    But if it is really just a naming ceremony and they're using the term godparent as there isn't really a secular equivilent, then I'd go for it.


    I'm sure they'll understand either way.

    its not going to be a naming ceremony, when i originally agreed i thought it would be, but now its going to be a full on religious thing so that he can get married in church when hes older.


    (Original post by shinyhappy)
    Remember that being a god parent isn't just about guiding the child towards religion, its about supporting them and providing advice, and all the nice things that you can do with them, without having the responsibility of it being your own kid (Taking them to the zoo and silly things like that to recapture your own childhood )
    With regard to this, its my best friends child. I'm going the be there for it anyway, all the other things you mentioned can be done and would be done as a matter of fact, without even thinking about it. Its what you do.

    Being a god parent, i assumed means that if anything happens to them i'd look out for their child. which is what I'd do anyway, but its also ment to be about religious guidence and things, I dont have a problem lying to the vicar/priest whomever saying that I was baptised/christened when I wasnt.

    What I do have a problem with, is going through all the circus myself, I really dont think I could reconcile going somewhere and being judged by someone who has no idea what life in the real world is like.

    For example, what can a priest tell anyone about love and things, when they're not allowed due to their religion to get married or fall in love?
    No wonder a lot of their sexual desires are expressed in deviant ways.

    The prejudice of religion I really have a thing about.

    Someone may repent their sins so they can goto heaven, but they've still sinned.

    Someone may live a sinfree life, but if they dont believe in a particular religion then they're looked at worse than the person who repented.


    Myself, I pefer to be agnostic, but it isnt even agnostic.

    I believe that the ancient religions with multiple gods are more likely to be true if anything is... and that these multiple gods, if anything, if they even exist are more likely to be mans first interpretation of aliens. (and i consider that highly unlikely... but its on the more believeable scale than an all-seeing all knowing god)

    I could deal with it if they wanted to endoctrine their child into the buddist faith or something like that, being spiritual, or teaching someone to be spiritual is one thing, but following something that inflicts standards of living on others, or forcing a child into something that causes it to make value judgements on others, is nothing but wrong in my eyes, and this is why I morally object to it.

    But then, its my best mate...



    (Original post by The_Crow)
    Sorry if this has aready been said, but your not allowed to be a godparent if you are not baptised.
    That could be my way out of it, but I have no concern about lying. They can not prove that I have not been baptised. Its just reconciling my own thoughts about it all.


    (Original post by parsleythelion)
    Tell your friend your objections and exactly what you're prepared to do in the role. Then, by all means, go for it! I'm from an atheist family with 2 atheist godparents (both living abroad) - but my godmother is [corniness] one of by best friends [/corniness], and while she's taught me absolutely nothing about God (I think she's Jewish anyway) she HAS taught me how to take the neck off a bottle of champagne with a heavy knife and lots of other similarly important stuff!

    thats interesting, did they go through the ceremony and things with you then?
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    First, thanks to everyone thats replied.




    its not going to be a naming ceremony, when i originally agreed i thought it would be, but now its going to be a full on religious thing so that he can get married in church when hes older.




    With regard to this, its my best friends child. I'm going the be there for it anyway, all the other things you mentioned can be done and would be done as a matter of fact, without even thinking about it. Its what you do.

    Being a god parent, i assumed means that if anything happens to them i'd look out for their child. which is what I'd do anyway, but its also ment to be about religious guidence and things, I dont have a problem lying to the vicar/priest whomever saying that I was baptised/christened when I wasnt.

    What I do have a problem with, is going through all the circus myself, I really dont think I could reconcile going somewhere and being judged by someone who has no idea what life in the real world is like.

    For example, what can a priest tell anyone about love and things, when they're not allowed due to their religion to get married or fall in love?
    No wonder a lot of their sexual desires are expressed in deviant ways.

    The prejudice of religion I really have a thing about.

    Someone may repent their sins so they can goto heaven, but they've still sinned.

    Someone may live a sinfree life, but if they dont believe in a particular religion then they're looked at worse than the person who repented.


    Myself, I pefer to be agnostic, but it isnt even agnostic.

    I believe that the ancient religions with multiple gods are more likely to be true if anything is... and that these multiple gods, if anything, if they even exist are more likely to be mans first interpretation of aliens. (and i consider that highly unlikely... but its on the more believeable scale than an all-seeing all knowing god)

    I could deal with it if they wanted to endoctrine their child into the buddist faith or something like that, being spiritual, or teaching someone to be spiritual is one thing, but following something that inflicts standards of living on others, or forcing a child into something that causes it to make value judgements on others, is nothing but wrong in my eyes, and this is why I morally object to it.

    But then, its my best mate...





    That could be my way out of it, but I have no concern about lying. They can not prove that I have not been baptised. Its just reconciling my own thoughts about it all.
    Protestant priests are allowed to get marrie its only catholic preist who aren't and a loarge majority of the religious population nowadays are protestant, the bit about sins, people repent of sins so they can go to heaven sure but the fact that they are repenting of their sins is supposed to show that they are sorry for their sin and so desrve the forgivenesss of god.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    For example, what can a priest tell anyone about love and things, when they're not allowed due to their religion to get married or fall in love?
    No wonder a lot of their sexual desires are expressed in deviant ways.
    Interesting... I was definitely under the impression that since my Dad was ordained when I was 2 that he was a priest. Yep, yep I'm pretty sure... oh yeh he's not a Roman Catholic. Also even if he WAS RC, then there's the issue that the REASON RC priests don't marry is that they are expeced to LOVE <-- ooooh look key word God with all their heart, and not to divide this with a spouse.

    [Edit: just read the above and to add to this it's not just PROTESTANT priests who can get married it's also ANGLOcatholics. It's not the Catholic bit that stops it's the ROMAN Catholic. Just so you know [/Edit]


    The prejudice of religion I really have a thing about.
    Someone may repent their sins so they can goto heaven, but they've still sinned.
    Someone may live a sinfree life, but if they dont believe in a particular religion then they're looked at worse than the person who repented.
    Depends on who you've been listening to - but I'm not getting into a debate about this now
 
 
 
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