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Reply 4280
Don't underestimate the mathmos... a disproportionate number of us are schiz/pyscho/both...... :biggrin: :eek:

....but of course we are easily the most interesting breed of 'academic' :wink: :p:

im going a bit hyper with the smilies, arent i?
uz_master
Don't underestimate the mathmos... a disproportionate number of us are schiz/pyscho/both...... :biggrin: :eek:

....but of course we are easily the most interesting breed of 'academic' :wink: :p:

im going a bit hyper with the smilies, arent i?


I'm obviously the only mathmo not kidding myself. :wink:
Reply 4282
I found maths very ...uninteresting. It's like 2 plus 2 is 4. It will always be four. that fact is undisputable. 2 plus 2 will never be anything other than four. With the arts there's a lot more room for discussion.
drsmeeth
I found maths very ...uninteresting. It's like 2 plus 2 is 4. It will always be four. that fact is undisputable. 2 plus 2 will never be anything other than four. With the arts there's a lot more room for discussion.


Good luck defending that one... As a prospective philosopher i feel that i should make some comment, but i will hold back under the assumption that someone else is about to do a much better job of it. On non-maths related aspect: there being room for discussion either means most people are wrong or there is no objective truth, which could easily be true of maths as well.
drsmeeth
I found maths very ...uninteresting. It's like 2 plus 2 is 4. It will always be four. that fact is undisputable. 2 plus 2 will never be anything other than four. With the arts there's a lot more room for discussion.


But there is room for beauty, artistry, creativity, and discovery in maths. And the best bit of the arts is people actually creating stuff, rather than people writing essays about what other people did.

Philosophy doesn't slot into either category methinks.
Reply 4285
drsmeeth
I found maths very ...uninteresting. It's like 2 plus 2 is 4. It will always be four. that fact is undisputable. 2 plus 2 will never be anything other than four. With the arts there's a lot more room for discussion.

With the arts there's a lot more room for discussion bull****.

:p:
What's wrong with something being indisputible? As far as I am concerned, the Mona Lisa is still the Mona Lisa, it will never be anything else....doesn't mean you can't admire it. Sure, 2+2=4 seems a bit crude for an example, consider it a cave painting or something...call it homomorphic to a cave painting :p:
Muffin Man
With the arts there's a lot more room for discussion bull****.

:p:


Agreed. I find a lot of it quite pretentious, but it's just personal preference. I think that as long as you have something you can be passionate about, whether it's maths, history, spanish, cake, whatever, then you're doing just dandy.
wanderer
But there is room for beauty, artistry, creativity, and discovery in maths. And the best bit of the arts is people actually creating stuff, rather than people writing essays about what other people did.

Philosophy doesn't slot into either category methinks.


That's what i should have said. You have really hit all the aspects of maths with which a philosopher should concern himself- along with a little regarding the implications of practical applications. I like to think of philosophy as maths with words (logic i guess) and a mathematical style of study beyond the usual formalism of maths. Having said that, the areas i'm interested in do have a lot of cross over: i enjoy maths, but possibly for different reasons to your common-all-garden mathmo. There's no way i can possibly attempt to isolate the nuances of philosophy without offending pretty much everyone involved in any other academic field (and probably most philosophers...).
It was the flawlessness that attracted me to mathematics when i was younger; several years later, my relative inability was one of the factors leading me to not study it; even more years later, i've successfully convinced myself that i was wrong in both my previous assessments... bring on several more years time...

In all seriousness, to me maths is a little too focused; not that i'm accusing anyone of being like this, but i always thought there was a certain disposition to not look beyond maths and adopt a somewhat autistic approach to the subject. To me, admiring maths for its intricacy and rigour is one thing, but not looking beyond its rather narrow confines leads to a very poor appreciation of some of humanities other great exploits and discoveries. To all such sufferers, i recommend an initial dose of mathematical philosophy to slowly wean you off the formalism...
Reply 4290
johnrambo
It was the flawlessness that attracted me to mathematics when i was younger; several years later, my relative inability was one of the factors leading me to not study it; even more years later, i've successfully convinced myself that i was wrong in both my previous assessments... bring on several more years time...

In all seriousness, to me maths is a little too focused; not that i'm accusing anyone of being like this, but i always thought there was a certain disposition to not look beyond maths and adopt a somewhat autistic approach to the subject. To me, admiring maths for its intricacy and rigour is one thing, but not looking beyond its rather narrow confines leads to a very poor appreciation of some of humanities other great exploits and discoveries. To all such sufferers, i recommend an initial dose of mathematical philosophy to slowly wean you off the formalism...


:eek: My god you are different on here in comparison to real life! :biggrin: :p:

Woooo back from hols (which were pretty ****e....)
Reply 4291
drsmeeth
I found maths very ...uninteresting. It's like 2 plus 2 is 4. It will always be four. that fact is undisputable. 2 plus 2 will never be anything other than four. With the arts there's a lot more room for discussion.


2+2=5...
rpotter
:eek: My god you are different on here in comparison to real life! :biggrin: :p:

Woooo back from hols (which were pretty ****e....)


Ah, and that my (probably) young(er) friend is the beauty of the internet: i mean on here you almost sound cool...:rolleyes:. In all seriousness (theme of the evening), i think thats probably one of the best things about leaving school is that- as highlighted by mine and george's excellent assembly- you get to be someone else. Maybe not who you really are or anything like that, but you get a chance to be someone different, and that is a definite plus point. For example, you would never have taken me seriously if i had delivered my previous post to you face-to-face, but maybe in the future i'll be the sort of person who says things like that... who knows...
Back from week in Dorset and spent 45 minutes trying to catch up... failed as too tired but that's life! :redface: Can't wait until uni now - broadband internet! Hurrah! :smile:
Reply 4294
johnrambo
Ah, and that my (probably) young(er) friend is the beauty of the internet: i mean on here you almost sound cool...:rolleyes:. In all seriousness (theme of the evening), i think thats probably one of the best things about leaving school is that- as highlighted by mine and george's excellent assembly- you get to be someone else. Maybe not who you really are or anything like that, but you get a chance to be someone different, and that is a definite plus point. For example, you would never have taken me seriously if i had delivered my previous post to you face-to-face, but maybe in the future i'll be the sort of person who says things like that... who knows...


have you tried alcohol :p:
rpotter
:eek: My god you are different on here in comparison to real life! :biggrin: :p:

Woooo back from hols (which were pretty ****e....)

:eek: your sig lies.....I never said such a thing!:p:
johnrambo
It was the flawlessness that attracted me to mathematics when i was younger; several years later, my relative inability was one of the factors leading me to not study it; even more years later, i've successfully convinced myself that i was wrong in both my previous assessments... bring on several more years time...

In all seriousness, to me maths is a little too focused; not that i'm accusing anyone of being like this, but i always thought there was a certain disposition to not look beyond maths and adopt a somewhat autistic approach to the subject. To me, admiring maths for its intricacy and rigour is one thing, but not looking beyond its rather narrow confines leads to a very poor appreciation of some of humanities other great exploits and discoveries. To all such sufferers, i recommend an initial dose of mathematical philosophy to slowly wean you off the formalism...


I was a philosopher first - I've had my 'initial dose'! And you really do have to worry about the odd really focused mathmo. My maths teacher used to talk about some of the professors at uni being perfectly at home with n-dimensional hyperspheres and the like but tending to forget about things like matching socks.
Reply 4297
drsmeeth
I found maths very ...uninteresting. It's like 2 plus 2 is 4. It will always be four. that fact is undisputable. 2 plus 2 will never be anything other than four. With the arts there's a lot more room for discussion.

Ah, but angles in a triangle don't always add up to 180 degrees. Surely that's an interesting fact?!
henryt
Ah, but angles in a triangle don't always add up to 180 degrees. Surely that's an interesting fact?!


How?
Reply 4299
henryt
Ah, but angles in a triangle don't always add up to 180 degrees. Surely that's an interesting fact?!


Its common sense :p:
depends if the plane is flat (180), spherical (>180) or hyperbolic... (<180)

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