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    You really don't seem to understand what 'conspiracy theory' means. It means a THEORY which is about a CONSPIRACY. And seeing as all of your THEORIES meander on with ridiculous ideas about how the US government (with Israel and the UK and Spain and everywhere else) are CONSPIRING to take over the universe and such, they are thus CONSPIRACY THEORIES. And they're all *******s. My main problem with the 9/11 crap is that you'd need to keep hundreds, if not thousands of people, absolutely silent about plotting major attacks on their own country. All you can produce is a few "eyewitnesses" who would have been very confused and probably today think you're talking crap. Where are the hundreds of government officials, airline bosses and workers, CIA agents, NSA specialists, FBI agents, air-traffic control workers, military officers etc. etc. that would have had to be involved. Where are the people who rigged up the remote control planes and missiles, where are the people who managed to plant dozens of bombs in some of the most crowded real-estate in the country without anyone noticing. Believe it or not, Bush and Cheney sitting in their offices couldn't have rigged the whole thing up in 8 months by themselves. This is not like the proposed Operation Northwood where a couple of CIA agents could have planted a couple of bombs, this is on a massive, incredibly complex scale. Hundreds, if not thousands of people would have been involved. Someone would have talked by now.
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    (Original post by Lone Fox)
    You really don't seem to understand what 'conspiracy theory' means. It means a THEORY which is about a CONSPIRACY.
    Hahaha, evidently you do not know either

    Again, your a perfect example of how the term "conspiracy" works. You just brand it all into one group, because it seems to be too unbelieveable. Your not even interested in the facts behind it all.

    And who says it takes 100-1000 people to operate a mission such as 9/11? Whats more, they HAVE been silencing people on 9/11. All the witnesses who said they heard/felt explosions, the mysterious white jet, all the other pieces of evidence, which the government has told them to "shut up" about. What about the Sherraton Hotel managers who saw the tape of the Pentagon crash, and aren't allowd to discuss what they've seen under "Nation Security"...

    Again, the term conspiracy, or in this case, an asshat like yourself, can't even discriminate between a theory which has solid factual basis, or a theory which is genuinely rubbish. Instead you take the easy way out, and thats to brand it ALL as rubbish.

    Finally, stop crapping on me in the threads, do it through PM. No one cares on your opinions of me and how i think! If you were really so sane, you'd let the people make up their own minds, not making it seem like your the trust worthy one and im the crook. I will present the evidence for people to see, but not for idiots like you to just slander.
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    (Original post by Ferret_messiah)
    You'd have difficulty tracking everyone in the country using RFID. Those things have a working range of a few inches, and respond only to active scanning, they don't just sit there broadcasting their contents for all and sundry. If you wanted to track everyone in the country you'd either have to have checkpoints every few hundred metres and on every door, or significantly boost the broadcast distance of RFID technology and then fit scanners all over the place.
    Think you misunderstood - not 'tracking' as in tracing the individual's steps as they walk down the street - but by forcing everyone to use ID cards for e.g. entering and exiting buildings etc. - that kind of tracking, thus making it easy to pinpoint locations - and this information can fall into the wrong hands which is dangerous.
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    (Original post by Stranksy)
    Hahaha, evidently you do not know either
    So a conspiracy theory is not a theory about a conspiracy? Do you care to enlighten us?

    (Original post by Stranksy)
    Again, your a perfect example of how the term "conspiracy" works. You just brand it all into one group, because it seems to be too unbelieveable. Your not even interested in the facts behind it all.
    The facts are irrelevant to the labelling of something as a conspiracy theory. The conspiracy part of the label is drawn from the fact that someone, usually the government, is allegedly engaged in a conspiracy of some sort. Indeed, the term 'conspiracy theory' doesn't actually contain an inherent element of doubt on the veracity of the theory or any valuative judgment. It has just become usually interpreted in a certain way as a term, through the way it has come to be used. Your crackpot-isms (as I will now be calling them) are THEORIES about CONSPIRACIES of the government. Hence they are 'conspiracy theories'.

    Understand?
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    (Original post by Lone Fox)
    The facts are irrelevant to the labelling of something as a conspiracy theory. The conspiracy part of the label is drawn from the fact that someone, usually the government, is allegedly engaged in a conspiracy of some sort. Indeed, the term 'conspiracy theory' doesn't actually contain an inherent element of doubt on the veracity of the theory or any valuative judgment. It has just become usually interpreted in a certain way as a term, through the way it has come to be used. Your crackpot-isms (as I will now be calling them) are THEORIES about CONSPIRACIES of the government. Hence they are 'conspiracy theories'.
    The facts are irrelevant?! What the hell? Do you not care then that the American government conducted an operation of terror and used it to stage an illegal war, of which, they will do again to Iran (aerial strike, not invasion)?

    If the facts are irrelevant, of course its a conspiracy, but the facts AREN'T irrelevant, and whats more, they aren't theory either, they are FACT. However, you just deny this reality, and continue to brand it all as "conspiracy theory".

    Call them conspiracy theories all you like, but your only kidding yourself. And calling me a crack-pot is just laughable aswell. I am sure of what i've researched, and i would not bother posting here on TSR if i did not believe in them, because again, the ONLY reason why i joined TSR was to put forth the truth to all of you, in the hope that some way wake up to it.

    Go back to mummy, everything is OK, its all a bad dream....

    Please....The sooner you accept reality for what it is, the sooner we can move forward and put things right.
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    Hehe! Yes, I'm the one living in a happy dream world. That's why I deny the existence of global Islamic terrorism, rogue states seeking to arm themselves with nuclear weapons and pretend that the government is making it all up and really we're at no risk.

    And FFS, how stupid are you?

    You don't seem to understand any of my points regarding what constitutes a conspiracy theory. It is called a CONSPIRACY THEORY because it is a THEORY about a CONSPIRACY.

    The definition of Conspiracy: A secret plan by a group to do something unlwful or harmful

    You believe that there is a SECRET PLAN of the US government to commit acts of terrorism aganst its own people. Thus you are accusing the US government of CONSPIRACY.

    Thus, your THEORY on the matter is a THEORY ABOUT A CONSPIRACY.

    Or, a CONSPIRACY THEORY.

    Whether it's true or not, doesn't make a difference, a conspiracy theory CAN be true technically, but that doesn't make it any less. Only popular usage of the term conjures up images of fringe maniacs cooking up lunatic theories, not the actual definition.

    Sheesh.
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    (Original post by Stranksy)
    And who says it takes 100-1000 people to operate a mission such as 9/11?
    Common bloody sense. I described all the people that would need to be involved according to your theory, across several industries, agencies, the government, the military etc.

    (Original post by Stranksy)
    Whats more, they HAVE been silencing people on 9/11. All the witnesses who said they heard/felt explosions, the mysterious white jet, all the other pieces of evidence, which the government has told them to "shut up" about. What about the Sherraton Hotel managers who saw the tape of the Pentagon crash, and aren't allowd to discuss what they've seen under "Nation Security"...
    See! All you can produce are a bunch of 'eyewitnesses' who were the ones most confused and shaken by the events. You quote these statements, but how many of the people would today back up your ideas? Or would most of them go, 'actually, the official version makes sense, I was probably mistaken, it was most probably not what I thought it was'?

    I was asking about the hundreds to thousands of people involved in the PLANNING and EXECUTION of this huge operation. Do none of these people across so many industries, agencies, government branches have any desire to speak out?
    The NSA, FBI, CIA, numerous airline companies, the military, the White House, air-traffic control, defence industries. You're talking about the biggest cover-up in the history of the world, you cannot keep that many people quiet unless there is nothing for them to tell.

    (Original post by Stranksy)
    Instead you take the easy way out, and thats to brand it ALL as rubbish.
    Everything you say is a load of rubbish, there's a hundred times more evidence for the 'official' line than for anything you make up.
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    (Original post by Ferret_messiah)
    You'd have difficulty tracking everyone in the country using RFID. Those things have a working range of a few inches, and respond only to active scanning, they don't just sit there broadcasting their contents for all and sundry. If you wanted to track everyone in the country you'd either have to have checkpoints every few hundred metres and on every door, or significantly boost the broadcast distance of RFID technology and then fit scanners all over the place.
    You win!

    I wouldn't have a problem with it really. I want my streets policed, criminals caught, drug cartels stopped. If to get that done involves being able to be tracked, so be it, I don't care.

    What is is that they could see that bothers you so much? I mean, come on, they aren't going to pay someone to sit there and watch you get on and off the bus are they?
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    (Original post by Lone Fox)
    Common bloody sense. I described all the people that would need to be involved according to your theory, across several industries, agencies, the government, the military etc
    haha, dont talk about common sense....you still believe the twin towers were brought down by fire (first time in history, 3 times in one day). They fell in perfect symetrical fashion at nearly perfect freefall speed, and produced enormous volumes of micron-fine concrete dust. The ONLY way that is possible is through explosives....so don't talk to me about common sense.
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    Yeah, through magical bombs planted on the most densely populated piece of real estate in the bloody country without a single person noticing anything.
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    (Original post by Lone Fox)
    Yeah, through magical bombs planted on the most densely populated piece of real estate in the bloody country without a single person noticing anything.
    Ah. That's because they lacked the right tools.
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    (Original post by Lone Fox)
    Yeah, through magical bombs planted on the most densely populated piece of real estate in the bloody country without a single person noticing anything.
    You obviously don't know about the "security" drills they held in the buildings concerned weeks before 9/11. Whole parts of the buildings were evacuated without warning, electronics were out (including CCTV etc). Bomb sniffing dogs were abruptly removed weeks prior to 9/11 also.

    I wont go into details, cos its not like you will care, but essentially, what i just said was the "window of time" where they planted the explosives.
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    And they just sat there for weeks with no-one noticing. Enough explosives to bring down a massive building. Right.
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    (Original post by Lone Fox)
    And they just sat there for weeks with no-one noticing. Enough explosives to bring down a massive building. Right.
    -19 Arab Hijackers, several of which are still alive and been sighted in the Middle East, crashed 4 planes in the most secure airspace in the WORLD, causing three buildings to collapse due to fire, the first time in history x3. The buildings also just happened to collapse straight down, into their own footprint, at freefall speed, with several large explosions registered on seismic equipment over 30 miles away.

    -Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice; "No one could have imagined crashing planes into buildings...", yet there were drills being conducted with that very purpose.

    -Prior warning from Intelligence agencies all over the world, from the UK to India, and, oh yes, even Israel :rolleyes:

    -The crash at the Pentagon supposedly "vapourized" the plane, yet left some bits of bodies intact for DNA analysis. Planes are made of aluminium and titanium, and guess what the melting point it.....well above that of a human. Why is it all CCTV footage has been hidden away, yet all we have is 5 frames of unbelieveable poor quality CCTV, which has been tampered with, and the delay between each frame modified.

    -The crash in Shanksville debry was spread out of an 8 mile radius. Care to explain how a plane crashing into the ground creates such a large debry field of extremely small pieces? Care to explain why not ONE shred of human remains was found there? Care to explain why people heard TWO sepereate explosions, and a white jet circling the area?


    Im sorry LoneFox, no matter how hard you try to back up the governments story, there are just too many inconsistencies and errors for it to be true.
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    There's just no point arguing with you and your loony ideas. You take a bunch of half-truths, dodgy 'eyewitness' reports, ridiculous ideas and blend them together with quasi-religious overarching conspiracy theories to create an alternate universe. Whatever holes you can pick in the real story, there are many many times more in all your weirdo alternatives.

    1. They got the ID of some of the hijackers wrong initially. Big deal, that's not a conspiracy.
    2. Many structural engineers and other experts have examined the evidence and have not come up with any inconsistencies regarding the buildings falling. I like how you claim that the buildings were simply brought down by fire. Ignore the big ****-off PLANES that crashed in to them, right?
    3. Wow, drills, that's evidence.
    4. This is where your idiocy really starts to show. If there were prior warnings from intelligence agencies around the world about terrorists planning that attack, then how does that square with your idea that it was the US government doing it?
    etc. etc.
    Boring.
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    (Original post by Lone Fox)
    There's just no point arguing with you and your loony ideas. You take a bunch of half-truths, dodgy 'eyewitness' reports, ridiculous ideas and blend them together with quasi-religious overarching conspiracy theories to create an alternate universe. Whatever holes you can pick in the real story, there are many many times more in all your weirdo alternatives.

    1. They got the ID of some of the hijackers wrong initially. Big deal, that's not a conspiracy.
    2. Many structural engineers and other experts have examined the evidence and have not come up with any inconsistencies regarding the buildings falling. I like how you claim that the buildings were simply brought down by fire. Ignore the big ****-off PLANES that crashed in to them, right?
    3. Wow, drills, that's evidence.
    4. This is where your idiocy really starts to show. If there were prior warnings from intelligence agencies around the world about terrorists planning that attack, then how does that square with your idea that it was the US government doing it?
    etc. etc.
    Boring.

    1. Again, like the Menezes case, do you really honestly believe they would misidentify a person? Come on, if America is so technologically great as you make them out to be, they would not make mistakes like this.

    2. No, the government claims the buildings were brought down by fire. And so what about the planes. The WTC were designed to take not 1, but 2 fully loaded jet liner impacts and still stand, the designers and architect have said this many times. As for inconsistencies in the buildings, of course they will find little, because all the steel was shipped off to foreign countries before any investigation could even begin!

    3. Drills, yes, that is evidence. The fact that the Pentagon was holding drills on the morning of 9/11. Same with the london tube bombings, drills were being held on the same morning (at the same stations, admitted by Peter powers, what a fool).

    4. There was prior knowledge because evidently thats what intelligence agencies do, they find out information....


    You are the one coming up with deluded irrational thoughts LoneFox, and your not kidding anyone. Sit down and shut up, because no one cares what thoughts you have about "me and my thoughts".

    The fact that your still calling it half-truths and looney ideas just shows that YOU HAVE NOT ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE EVIDENCE. You really are ignornant, because ANY person who looked at the evidence would agree with me on this, along with the thousands of other people who see the same.

    You are not contributing to the thread, you are just slashing my presented evidence. I suggest you get a life and maybe go do some research to prove me wrong, instead of just saying im wrong.
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    I've looked at all the ****-witted evidence you present and it's all a load of horse-****. Like your mind.
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    (Original post by Lone Fox)
    I've looked at all the ****-witted evidence you present and it's all a load of horse-****. Like your mind.
    Wow, that showed alot of maturity. Come back when your balls drop.

    Whats more, you obviously haven't looked at the evidence with an open mind. If you have looked at it, you would believe what i say, and not the stance you have currently.

    Your either a)Ignorant for not looking at the evidence
    b)In denial after reading the evidence
    c)In denial before even reading the evidence.

    Give it up, do yourself a favour, and learn to except the world for what it is.

    =================Back on Topic==================

    What does everyone think about implanting RFID chips directly under the skin? Would you be prepared to do this to gain entry to your house, a club or bank account for example?
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    You never responded to my point about the involved amount of people, or these invisible explosives or the inconsistencies of your own ideas about intelligence. You need some maturity. I accept the world for what it is, you're so full of adolescent rebellion you're fashioning your own universe.
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    (Original post by Lone Fox)
    You never responded to my point about the involved amount of people, or these invisible explosives or the inconsistencies of your own ideas about intelligence. You need some maturity. I accept the world for what it is, you're so full of adolescent rebellion you're fashioning your own universe.
    Inconsistencies in my ideas? hahaha.

    Do you really expect me to know how many people were part of this operation, or when and where exactly the explosives were placed? We will proberly never know, but the fact remains, they were used, the evidence for their use is all there. I can't spoon feed this to people, especially people like you who don't actually care, so why should i bother proving it to you, because even if i do, its not going to change your mind.

    Adolescent rebellion? Right....so now you can tell emotion through txt....and for the record, im 18, so don't go calling me a ****ing kid.
 
 
 
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