Nato helicopters kill Pakistan checkpoint soldiers

Did I mention iran?

reading your comment, I asked if pakistans biggest domestic issue was ethnic clashes/hostilies....

I always thought it was extremist mullahs and their bearded boys.

Yes arguably . It is divided based upon cultural, ethnicity, tribal lines.

Extremist mullahs and bearded boys- lool. It is not the main issue. Their popularity (if there ever was one) is decreasing. They never got into power or have any sort of influence.

Take a trip from Lahore (Pakistan's cultural city) and go to Karachi (Pakistan's financial capital) or Quetta (Pakistan Provincial capital of Balochistan) and it's like a foreign country.

They don't share the same language, culture or anything.

It is trying to get all these different people together.

Take a linguistic stance for example:

Lahore- they speak punjabi. In Karachi they speak Sindhi. In Quetta- they speak Farsi/Pashto.

Put them in a room together- they will never understand each other.

Unless they all speak English...

You can take a person from Karachi/Lahore and stick them in a room with someone from Mumbai or Amritstar (India) and they will understand each other.

Paksitan biggest domestic issues- corruption, corruption, corruption.

no doubt, this is known as a matter of fact, but is it the basis for distubrances in pakistan caused by ethnic clashes/hostilities? The vast majority of pakistanis of different tribes/ethnicities get along (no doubt their are issues over land in certain parts)....

corruption has always been a part of pakistans problems..... nothing new here ..... the new threat is islamic extremism (mostly of the deobandi, salafi, wahabi brand..... these parties don't need to be in power to infuence politics/affairs on matters; just need a few sympathisers in high places and also use their "powers of persusasion" to affect issues (the issue of the blasphemy laws being the most recent case)...

Hmm tbh i didn't even know what a Mullah was just everyone mentions it on Iran topics oh well i know what it is now after googling.

This, as well...

are you a DM reader?

1. You question the balance of this relationship- riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight? In Pakistan, cinemas regularly show Hollywood films, Pakistanis wear western clothing- does this mean they are pro American? They speak a similar language to India, share the same cuisines, the same culture- does this mean they are pro- Indian?
It doesn't make sense.
Yes,they are pro-Chinese- what is your point?
Every country has some sort of friendship with China What is your point?

2. Left a choice- don't backtrack. Re-read what you typed. You said "religious parties taking over...." essentially in a nutshell. You have no evidence that a religious party will sweep into power in Pakistan.
I made in a tongue-in-cheek comment. That clearly is beyond you.

ok..... pakistan is hardly chinas bitch.... they've been long time allies and although the pakistani population is the most pro-chinese nation, it doesn't make them their bitch.

Wearing a certain type of clothing or sharing the same culture doesn't make you a pro-X ethnicity, I completely agree. But a recent poll has shown Pakistan to be the most pro-China country in the world. I think that is unique. This led me to question the balance of the relationship, which I have already pointed out to you.
''But the question for me is why would they want to ally with China in the first place?'' Post#22
"...can the same be said vice-versa? Does China gain more from this relationship than Pakistan?" Post#29
I said it may come in because the large majority of the population are Muslims, though I'm uncertain.
''either an Islamist party will come in or it'll become a bitch for China'' Post#7
''Whether an Islamist party will come in, I don't know.'' Post#11.
I don't have "evidence that a religious party will sweep into power in Pakistan.''
Why are you so decisive about the future?

1. Right. Now you admit that being Pro China does not equate to being China's bitch.
So what are they Pro-China? What is exactly your point?

2. No way, why would they want to ally with China? Is this a serious question? Every country in the world is an ally to China. Are you stupid? I have to ask this, are you stupid? What a stupid question to ask!

3. You are uncertain that Pakistan is a Muslim country? What? Are you serious?
You comment on the Pakistani Society on tsr and you don't know Pakistan is a Muslim-majority nation? What are you on?

4. Being a Muslim-majority country= electing a religious party. What are you on? . Are you serious?

5."Either an Islamist will come in"- implying that religious parties are popular. When the facts are that Pakistan has never been fond of religious parties.
How do you know an Islamist party will come in?

Serious Question: Can you read? You like to back-track.

You're throwing a lot of strawman arguments and misconstruing what I said.


I think it's best to leave it here.

Gradually cut all relations with the US and move to countries such as Russia, further the relationship with China and Turkey etc. 30,000 civilians dead and 3000 soldiers- these ****ing cowardly Western countries would be begging for mercy if they had suffered the same losses.

Russia with Chechnya, China with the Uyghurs and Turkey with the Kurds etc - doesn't this stuff bother you also? I mean what if Pakistan started 'aiding' the Chechens or became a key place (in the sense that attacks were coordinated from here, insurgens worked and recruied together etc) in Russia's own 'war on terror' - would it bother you equally if Russia did something similar or is it just when cowardly Western nations do it? Not that it's right, it's a terrible incident, just curious.

I wonder when NATO will realise that these sort of unprovoked, "mistaken identity" killings are the exact thing that breeds extremism. Every time NATO "accidentally kills" 1 person 10 new insurgents are created.

To be fair if Pakistan didn't have nukes, we'd have already gone in there and smacked them about a bit. Pakistan has been double crossing us for the best part of a decade and it's secret service (ISI) is up to it's neck in creating and maintaining the Taliban.

I highly doubt that this was a mistaken identity thing no matter what NATO says. The Pakistani soldiers were probably involved in helping/associating with Taliban militants; so NATO hit them. There's really not much patience left with Pakistan these days.

I always found this absurd reason that somehow Pakistan is helping the taliban somewhat puzzling.

Reminds me Laos and Cambodia during the Vietnam war.

If you lose the war, blame the ally (neighbour).

If there was evidence that such a thing was happening, the US would have no hesitation in sending boots on Pakistani soil.


Like I said earlier-

Pakistan is a lapdog locked in a cage, forced to starve, and get abuse. The lapdog accepts it. She fears her owners.

To be fair if Pakistan didn't have nukes, we'd have already gone in there and smacked them about a bit. Pakistan has been double crossing us for the best part of a decade and it's secret service (ISI) is up to it's neck in creating and maintaining the Taliban.

I highly doubt that this was a mistaken identity thing no matter what NATO says. The Pakistani soldiers were probably involved in helping/associating with Taliban militants; so NATO hit them. There's really not much patience left with Pakistan these days.

There was a two part documentary on the BBC (was on the iPlayer until a couple of weeks ago) called 'Secret Pakistan' where they basically laid out the list of what Pakistan had been up to and interviewed various political figures. It's not an absurd idea, it's a well enough known issue that the BBC of all things, a station that has long been against the 'War on Terror', comissioned a two hour documentary on it. Furthermore much of the foreign policy/news media have been reporting about what Pakistan has been up to for a couple of years now.

I really don't know how you could have missed it if you follow international relations and if you don't then I have no clue why you're posting here.

Also the Vietcong had bases in those two countries thats why they were bombed. It's classic guerilla warfare to have safe bases to escape to after attacks and unless you deal with those safe bases then you'll never win the war. The Taliban have exactly the same advantage in being able to flee back across the border into Pakistan where generally NATO can't strike, although of course they do in certain instances.