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    I'm confused and need clarification about the FACTS- what she did to benefit EVERYONE in Britain- not just the upper and middle classes, and why some people dislike her so much- as I'm starting to think that the reason people dislike her is because of her personality and anti-propaganda against her, not because of her policies.
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    Naw, she really was a douche bag. Thats the fact.
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    What is a douche bag?
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    Any person who supports the death penalty and dislikes homosexuals for no good reason is no friend of mine. Sorry, Mags.
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    (Original post by girlgerms)
    Any person who supports the death penalty and dislikes homosexuals for no good reason is no friend of mine. Sorry, Mags.
    Did she really? Christ- I don't like her then! :mad:
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    (Original post by girlgerms)
    dislikes homosexuals for no good reason is no friend of mine. Sorry, Mags.
    Did she? I thought she had quite pro-gay voting patterns.
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    Positions on homosexuality are small fry. What is far more important is what she did for the economy, the public services and in the international community. Lets see.
    Economy-Unemployeent, inflation dramatically cut, caused economic boom. A+
    Public Services- used privitisation to make them more efficient. A
    International-Asserted rights of British citizens (Falklands), put pressure on USSR, best ever relationship with USA. A++

    What do her views on homosexuality matter by comparison? As to the death penalty, she did not at any time attempt to force the party to accept her views on the topic. I am proud to call myself a Thatcherite.
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    I think Thatcher should be praised for improving the UK's relative economic performance. We've had over 50 quarters of constant GDP growth based on her policies and only Canada and the USA (of the G8) have grown faster over that period.

    I think people dislike her because British society became too individualistic when she was PM. Remember Harry Enfield's "Loads of money" character? Well that's supposed to be a parody of an aspect of Thatcher's Britain.

    dislikes homosexuals for no good reason is no friend of mine.
    When did she dislike gays?
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    She wrote a clause into local government banning media that promoted homosexuality.

    And yes, lets talk about economics. 15% interest was great! Lets bring it back!

    Edit: It was called Section 28... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28
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    Are you actually saying that it would have been better to live during the Winter of discontent than in Britain c. 1990? Strikes everywhere you nlook, special interest groups dictating terms to elected governments, three day weeks, rubbish piling up in the streets, inefficient state enterprises draining more and more taxpayers cash?
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    If we want to expand our timeline, then maybe I should also point you in the direction of Black Wednesday. Another excellent decision by the Conservatives.
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    If you mean the collapse of the ERM, that was a decision by John Major's government and thus cannot be blamed on Thatcher.
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    Thatchers big achievement was her supply-side reforms of the economy.

    Privatisation, Trade Union legislation, Welfare reform and reform of taxation all contributed to removing the structural weaknesses of the British economy to allow long term growth.

    In short-term economic policy she did less well. By adopting moneterism early in her tenure, she probably made the short-term economic situation worse. Inflation came down a little, but we suffered massive unemployment, not seen since the 1930's.

    On the whole she should be commended for her impact on increasing the size of the economic cake for everyone.
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    Wasn't it something like 9 million people who owned shares in the privatised industries in 1989?
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    we could do with a thatcher today.
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    As Mao said of the way the French Revolution has affected history, "it is too early to tell".

    I'm interested if the supply side economic policies will grant the long term economic stability their proponents say they do.
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    I think Thatcher did a lot of good - the reform that she instituted made the British economy one of the most successful in the world in recent years, lowered taxes and freed Britain from the trade union grip.

    On homosexuality, you have to remember that in the 80s Britain was a much more socially conservative place than now.. Being opposed to gay marriage, for example, isn't anti-homosexuality and it is ridiculuous to categorise it as such - during the 80s anyone who supported that would have been looked upon as a crackpot. And the vast majority of the Conservative Party at the time was socially conservative, a good deal of them wanted to restore the anti-gay laws, so it would not have been a good idea for Thatcher to align herself with the pro-gay lobby. And you are misunderstanding Section 28. That was an amendment to a local government act, introduced by a Tory backbencher that the Conservative government throught they would have to accept if they were to get the act through Parliament. The purpose of this rather badly drafted and relatively unclear Section was to prevent what had been misuse of public money by loony left councils, ie funding gay pride parades, role-playing (imagine two mums...) in schools etc.

    And on the death penalty, whilst Thatcher may have supported it, she never tried to impose it upon the Tory Party at large. She allowed free debates and votes on it in the House of Commons.
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    (Original post by rich_)
    I'm confused and need clarification about the FACTS- what she did to benefit EVERYONE in Britain- not just the upper and middle classes, and why some people dislike her so much- as I'm starting to think that the reason people dislike her is because of her personality and anti-propaganda against her, not because of her policies.
    Find a prime minister whos benefited EVERYONE in Britain and il applaud you. Though you might say that surely be benefiting Britain as a whole (which she surely did) she thus was of long term benefit to all Britons - despite what the bitter moaning of champagne 'socialists' or former socialists might have you believe. Given the huge amount of negative publicity she recieved and continues to recieve its amazing to realise that she won an election, and another, and another - just who was voting for her? Vengeful liberals in the press would have you believe she was almost a tyrant but she was chosen repeatedly by the people.
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    (Original post by girlgerms)
    She wrote a clause into local government banning media that promoted homosexuality.

    And yes, lets talk about economics. 15% interest was great! Lets bring it back!

    Edit: It was called Section 28... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_28
    and remind us, whats good about promoting homosexuality?
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    "Thatcher was one of few Conservative MPs to support Leo Abse's Bill to decriminalise male homosexuality." - Wikipedia

    ...and then there was Section 28 - a bill that had unintended consequences for the gay community... It's principle is clearly sound. Surely homosexuality should not be "encouraged" in schools - but the result of the bill was that the discussion of homosexuality was virtually banned in schools - unless the discussion was about AIDS, which was exempt...

    As a homosexual man I still support Thatcher for her other policies, but it is something the Tory party should be ashamed of when looking back.

    EDIT: Thatcher also spoke out about gays in the military in her book Statecraft after a European court ruling. This is another bone of contention I have with her I guess.
 
 
 
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