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    (Original post by Hanzing)
    you realise you picked the one smallest amount of money spent on area, cutting that out would still leave in this case 25 points needed for the other areas so its not exactly a worthwhile analysis.
    Well they have helping out with broadband, going out, buying cans at the weekend, savings, the bowling, the nights out. I think if you cut this out you could cover it with a small part time job like the rest of us and it seems as though it makes a sizeable chunk.
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    hey im new on here. i think that ema is good for those who desperately need it. i personally have a part time job and not a bad family income. my friend on the other hand has a really poor family and having EMA meant he did not spend his mums money. However, he thought about joining the fire service and not returning to college and therefore missed his application for EMA again this year. it has had a serious effect on him.

    on the other hand i am a triple A student and i dont see me gettin a £100 bonus at christmas for my good behaviour and good grades.
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    (Original post by JBacon)
    Well they have helping out with broadband, going out, buying cans at the weekend, savings, the bowling, the nights out. I think if you cut this out you could cover it with a small part time job like the rest of us and it seems as though it makes a sizeable chunk.
    If you bothered to read saiyamanas full post you would realise he has a part time job, which combined with EMA just about covers everything.
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    Question to those who are so hostile to EMA: if given the chance to recieve the weekly payments, would you?
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    (Original post by Hanzing)
    If you bothered to read saiyamanas full post you would realise he has a part time job, which combined with EMA just about covers everything.
    Yes exactly but it covers items that arent necessarily needed. That was the point of the post. If there really wished continue their education and didnt have EMA they could forego 24/7 internet, nights out, the bowling, the cans.

    Can you justify this spending in the short term as a reason to forego the long term benefits of education.
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    (Original post by JBacon)
    Yes exactly but it covers items that arent necessarily needed. That was the point of the post. If there really wished continue their education and didnt have EMA they could forego 24/7 internet, nights out, the bowling, the cans.

    Can you justify this spending in the short term as a reason to forego the long term benefits of education.
    well, if you really must know;

    1. the internet access is for my mum to contact her friends, to help with my brother's homework, and so that i can use the internet to complete coursework. And the reason i spend a lot of time on TSR is because there are some very nice people on here whom i enjoy talking to, and also because i'm off to university in a few months and need more information. (plus it is cheap anyway)

    2. I go out twice a week, max. And usually that involves a walk down the alley with me mates and a game of bowling for £5, and then possibly round to theirs to watch a film :confused: Either that or we chip in to buy 24 cans of carling and crash at someones house

    I mean thats a measly £5 extra, i spend that much on socialising every week, and yet i know some who drive down (with their EMA money) to the pub every night and have a few drinks, or go the quiz night, and i just cant afford to do stuff like that

    I dont have a car, i live in a rented house (after moving from a council house) and right now i have £2 in my pocket which is going to have to buy me lunch for a week.


    I just cant understand why you say i dont need it! :confused:
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    But if you really had to make the decision as to whether you continued your education without EMA and forewent this spending or went out into the world of work.

    Which would you choose.

    Would you choose a few cans and internet access for further education
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    Great post.

    But if you really had to make the decision as to whether you continued your education without EMA and forewent this spending or went out into the world of work.

    Which would you choose.

    Would you choose a few cans and internet access for further education
    What would you choose, Lack of resources to do work and coursework for children = Not as good grades, and lack of contact for mum with friends, or no social life forced to live in your room because some busybody wont let you spend the 5quid remainer EMA left on going out because your just too poor to be allowed to enjoy life. Its not a choose one of the other situation, Because most people are alowed both, is it that if your not well of you should only be allowed to be educated, or enjoy life? Since when did income dictate a society ultimatum.. Its ridiculous.
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    (Original post by Hanzing)
    Great post.



    What would you choose, Lack of resources to do work and coursework for children = Not as good grades, and lack of contact for mum with friends, or no social life forced to live in your room because some busybody wont let you spend the 5quid remainer EMA left on going out because your just too poor to be allowed to enjoy life. Its not a choose one of the other situation, Because most people are alowed both, is it that if your not well of you should only be allowed to be educated, or enjoy life? Since when did income dictate a society ultimatum.. Its ridiculous.
    My point was that people still could if they truely wished to enter further education. In essence EMA doesnt pay for the education but for the extra socialising that people undertake. There are only very limited circumstances compared to the near 50% of those in further education that truely require EMA.

    And to respond to some of your points:

    1. the internet access- instead of a £15 fixed - move to a per minute dial up situation where it is only used when truely required. Get her mother sending emails written off-line and then sending them rather that other forms eg. video or MSN.
    2. And you can live a very enjoyable life without alcohol, so is the spending truely neccessary.

    In essence what i am saying is that although all these people claim they "deserve it", it is still possible to live without.
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    (Original post by JBacon)
    But if you really had to make the decision as to whether you continued your education without EMA and forewent this spending or went out into the world of work.

    Which would you choose.

    Would you choose a few cans and internet access for further education
    if i didn't get EMA i would possibly be in a full time job, because my prioroties would be to help my family out. If you must know, my mum works full time in a betting shop, and has absoloutely no higher education qualifications (nothing above her GCSE standard grades). Although to be fair, she's recently applied to work in a call centre, whether that would make any extra income or not i'm not sure...


    On saying that, my parents have fully supported me throughout the past few years because they want me to do well in life, and i want to do well as well. And the idea of me giving her extra money to live is as important as my own desire to do well in life by my whole family understands that i can get good grades and a great job in the future, and they are fully supportive of me to continue education. It might sound strange, but we actually could not live if i didn't get EMA... there have been times when the £15 i give her has been spent on food for the week, and £15 for a weeks worth of food for 3 people is not a lot at all!
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    (Original post by Konstantine)

    As for bonuses, £70 of it went straight to my mother to help her with the bills this month. I really could not care less if that's me misusing it.

    I don't use my EMA for booze. But if I wanted to, I would be able to have a night out on it. I'm not entirely convinced I should be forced to forgo social situations because I'm less well off. Why not chain me up and have me spin wool all night?

    Just because we're from lower income families does not automatically qualify us as lager louts with a long line of ASBOs. That's disgustingly generic and stereotypical. The waste of any government-given money occurs in ANY scheme. The benefits of this one, in my opinion, outweigh the potential wastes.



    Aaaand scene.
    :hugs:

    £30 from the last bonus i received went towards a present for my mum
    £40 toward the bills
    £10 to brother
    £20 for myself, which included a m8's 18th party.
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    (Original post by saiyamana)
    :hugs:

    £30 from the last bonus i received went towards a present for my mum
    £40 toward the bills
    £10 to brother
    £20 for myself, which included a m8's 18th party.
    My EMA bonuses went on paying for Insurance/tax and repairs for my car, and seeing as thats how I got into college I think its appropriate
    My mum the same, she works in the local shop as she had to work at 16 because her parents couldnt afford to send her to college, and she wanted me too get a good education, so Im gonna do everything in my power to do that
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    (Original post by Hanzing)
    My EMA bonuses went on paying for Insurance/tax and repairs for my car, and seeing as thats how I got into college I think its appropriate
    My mum the same, she works in the local shop as she had to work at 16 because her parents couldnt afford to send her to college, and she wanted me too get a good education, so Im gonna do everything in my power to do that
    aww luckily i live right next to college and can walk there ... but i certainly couldn't afford a car right now


    well my mum would have gone to college but got pregnant at a youngish age (me :eek: ) and so couldn't do much
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    But the point is why is the money from EMA going to you and not your parents if it is truely them that need the money. The answer is a better taxation/benefit system not handing money to the child that then hands it to the parent.

    And the talk of my parents didnt go to college and went to work at 16 doesnt mean they can't have a high paying job at all. My father left school with 1 o level and is now a finance director.
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    (Original post by JBacon)
    But the point is why is the money from EMA going to you and not your parents if it is truely them that need the money. The answer is a better taxation/benefit system not handing money to the child that then hands it to the parent.

    And the talk of my parents didnt go to college and went to work at 16 doesnt mean they can't have a high paying job at all. My father left school with 1 o level and is now a finance director.
    We never said you couldnt, It ws my example of showing why I ws so determined to go through college and uni.

    Maybe they actually feel that giving children the money treates them more as an adult as they are approaching 18 and are in chosen independent education.
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    (Original post by JBacon)
    But the point is why is the money from EMA going to you and not your parents if it is truely them that need the money. The answer is a better taxation/benefit system not handing money to the child that then hands it to the parent.

    And the talk of my parents didnt go to college and went to work at 16 doesnt mean they can't have a high paying job at all. My father left school with 1 o level and is now a finance director.
    because that method would not influence students from poorer backgrounds to actually take their A-levels :confused:

    The government want more people in education, but they wont persuade many teenagers into staying on by offering extra money for their parents. Besides, the money is not strictly for bills/rent/food etc, rather things like school trips or textbooks, but some of us have to help out our family.


    and your second comment is stupid, as you know nothing about one's family circumstances in the past and the present. Well done to your dad, and also mine who is a manager of a carpet shop :rolleyes: (who doesn't give much money anyway), but my mum has never had the chance to get a better job
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    because that method would not influence students from poorer backgrounds to actually take their A-levels

    The government want more people in education, but they wont persuade many teenagers into staying on by offering extra money for their parents. Besides, the money is not strictly for bills/rent/food etc, rather things like school trips or textbooks, but some of us have to help out our family.

    ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRIBE, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A FACILITATOR
    thats the whole problem with it.


    If it is then used only to meet your own costs why can't those whose parents earn more receive it. They face the sam ecosts and there is nothing to say their parents will help out.
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    (Original post by JBacon)
    ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRIBE, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A FACILITATOR
    thats the whole problem with it.


    If it is then used only to meet your own costs why can't those whose parents earn more receive it. They face the sam ecosts and there is nothing to say their parents will help out.
    He said 'Influence' Not bribe, It Influences there decision as they are more likely to be able to afford it.
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    (Original post by JBacon)
    ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A BRIBE, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A FACILITATOR
    thats the whole problem with it
    It's not bribery to give the money to the chidren to help them with education. It might tempt the odd person to go into sixth form for the money but why would it? You could make £30 a week doing 7 hours a week on the minumum wage. If the money went straight to their parents it could simply go straight back into basic living costs, not necassarily towards the child's education. By giving the money to the kid it gives them money personally to support their own education.

    Plus your attitude towards people using their money (funded by part time job I might add) for other things is quite obnoxious. Should people forego any kind of enjoyment and socialising to focus 100% on their education and just manage to scrape by when loads of kids can live comfortably off their parents wallet? Some people GENUINELY couldn't afford to go to college without making a lot of sacrifices to their parents and personal lives, whilst for others it's just normal and accepted step post-16.
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    (Original post by JBacon)
    But the point is why is the money from EMA going to you and not your parents if it is truely them that need the money. The answer is a better taxation/benefit system not handing money to the child that then hands it to the parent.
    And I'd just like to add:

    "I bet I've got to spend it all on textbooks"
    Once the money is in your bank account, it's up to you how you spend it. Only you know what you need the money for that week - whether it's books, equipment, getting around, contributing towards family income or any other costs that add up when you're studying.
    SOURCE: EMA website
    Your PERSONAL view of what it should be spent on is thoroughly irrelevant to the argumen't. Don't be so arrogant as to assume you know the ins and outs of an individual's requirements. The government acknowledges that needs vary from person to person. Try that tactic yourself.
 
 
 

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