The Falklands Debate.

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http://trifter.com/caribbean-latin-a...the-falklands/

I was brought up believing that they were British and rightfully ours. But now I have my doubts. The article is pretty neutral but I think the Argies have a pretty strong case.
What do you reckon? Who do they belong to?
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(Original post by 888jamie888)
http://trifter.com/caribbean-latin-a...the-falklands/

I was brought up believing that they were British and rightfully ours. But now I have my doubts. The article is pretty neutral but I think the Argies have a pretty strong case.
What do you reckon? Who do they belong to?
The British settled the Falklands before Argentina was even a country, if the Argentinians want the Falklands handed back, they should hand back Argentina to the indigenous South Americans.

They have NO case for ownership of the Falklands
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Plus the population would rather be under British control.
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Well the author reckons that as we left the islands, them settling first does not matter? Was the re-taking illegal?
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(Original post by 888jamie888)
http://trifter.com/caribbean-latin-a...the-falklands/

I was brought up believing that they were British and rightfully ours. But now I have my doubts. The article is pretty neutral but I think the Argies have a pretty strong case.
What do you reckon? Who do they belong to?
There is no debate, the islands are ours end of.
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The Falklands are rightfully ours, **** the Args. -Floral- wraps it up nicely.
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The Argies certainly think there is a case. Try to think neutrally rather than as a Briton.
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Well the author reckons that as we left the islands, them settling first does not matter? Was the re-taking illegal?
If I have a holiday home but decide not to live in it, does that give squatters the right to move in?
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(Original post by 888jamie888)
Well the author reckons that as we left the islands, them settling first does not matter? Was the re-taking illegal?
What exactly in that article makes you take Argentina's side? Also, the author doesn't reckon anything of the sort; that is one to the most impartial articles about the Falkland's I have ever seen.
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The Argies certainly think there is a case. Try to think neutrally rather than as a Briton.
This is the problem. Many get their nationalism mixed into situations where it is not needed.
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What exactly in that article makes you take Argentina's side? Also, the author doesn't reckon anything of the sort; that is one to the most impartial articles about the Falkland's I have ever seen.
I just thought that article was a nice summary.
I watched a few videos on youtube where there were some fierce debates going on.
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If I have a holiday home but decide not to live in it, does that give squatters the right to move in?
I dont think countries quite work like that.
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The families of the soldiers who died in the last Falklands War ares still alive so it's unthinkable to hand them back. Also, the Falklanders have the right to self-determination as supported by the UN- I don't know what Argentina think there is to discuss. Even if downing street wanted to hand them back the Falkanders have their right to self-determination. Argentina are pathetic when it comes to this issue. Unfortunately they tried to take the Islands by force and although the government changed long ago the thoughts and feelings evoked by the war still exist.
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(Original post by 888jamie888)
I just thought that article was a nice summary.
I watched a few videos on youtube where there were some fierce debates going on.
Right, but I'm interested to know why you have taken Argentina's side. The article even clearly stated that in the 21st century, the right to self-determination ranks pretty highly in solving territory disputes and that all but settles it in Britain's favour.
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I dont think countries quite work like that.
Okay... Lets call the squatters 'Iceland' and holiday home 'the Shetland islands'
Iceland suddenly moves into and lays claim to the uninhabited British Shetland islands. Should they have a claim simply because nobody lives on most of the islands?
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Right, but I'm interested to know why you have taken Argentina's side. The article even clearly stated that in the 21st century, the right to self-determination ranks pretty highly in solving territory disputes and that all but settles it in Britain's favour.
I would not say I was taking their side, merely I've realised that they were once theirs. The Spanish actually settled there before us which many people dont realise.
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I would not say I was taking their side, merely I've realised that they were once theirs. The Spanish actually settled there before us which many people dont realise.
The Welsh settled on the Chubut Valley (Argentinian province) and irrigated the area first. I don't see the United Kingdom government making a fuss.
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The families of the soldiers who died in the last Falklands War ares still alive so it's unthinkable to hand them back. Also, the Falklanders have the right to self-determination as supported by the UN- I don't know what Argentina think there is to discuss. Even if downing street wanted to hand them back the Falkanders have their right to self-determination. Argentina are pathetic when it comes to this issue. Unfortunately they tried to take the Islands by force and although the government changed long ago the thoughts and feelings evoked by the war still exist.
The UN isn't completely behind the UK's claim. They consider it a "non self governing territory". So apparently, while they generally support self-determination, they don't consider choosing to remain a British territory an acceptable choice.
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I would not say I was taking their side, merely I've realised that they were once theirs. The Spanish actually settled there before us which many people dont realise.
It wasn't really ever theirs. The colony they claim was theirs was a nuetral whaling colony that just so happened to be governed by an Argentine citizen. He infact had the permission of the British consulate in Argentina to set up the colony, so Britain has more claim to that colony than Argentina does. Plus, even though Spain settled the islands before the UK, Britain claimed it before Spain, so swings and roundabouts.
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What country have a stronger military and a better media? Its theirs
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