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Same-sex marriage is a threat to humanity - The pope
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VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict said Monday that gay marriage was one of several threats to the traditional family that undermined "the future of humanity itself."
The pope made some of his strongest comments against gay marriage in a new year address to the diplomatic corps accredited to the Vatican in which he touched on some economic and social issues facing the world today.
He told diplomats from nearly 180 countries that the education of children needed proper "settings" and that "pride of place goes to the family, based on the marriage of a man and a woman."
"This is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society. Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself," he said.
The Vatican and Catholic officials around the world have protested against moves to legalize gay marriage in Europe and other developed parts of the world.
One leading opponent of gay marriage in the United States is New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, whom the pope will elevate to cardinal next month.
Dolan fought against gay marriage before it became legal in New York state last June, and in September he sent a letter to President Barack Obama criticizing his administration's decision not to support a federal ban on gay marriage.
In that letter Dolan, who holds the powerful post of president of the U.S. Bishops Conference, said such a policy could "precipitate a national conflict between church and state of enormous proportions."
The Roman Catholic Church, which has some 1.3 billion members worldwide, teaches that while homosexual tendencies are not sinful, homosexual acts are, and that children should grow up in a traditional family with a mother and a father.
"The family unit is fundamental for the educational process and for the development both of individuals and states; hence there is a need for policies which promote the family and aid social cohesion and dialogue," Benedict told the diplomats.
Gay marriage is legal in a number of European countries, including Spain and the Netherlands.
The pope made some of his strongest comments against gay marriage in a new year address to the diplomatic corps accredited to the Vatican in which he touched on some economic and social issues facing the world today.
He told diplomats from nearly 180 countries that the education of children needed proper "settings" and that "pride of place goes to the family, based on the marriage of a man and a woman."
"This is not a simple social convention, but rather the fundamental cell of every society. Consequently, policies which undermine the family threaten human dignity and the future of humanity itself," he said.
The Vatican and Catholic officials around the world have protested against moves to legalize gay marriage in Europe and other developed parts of the world.
One leading opponent of gay marriage in the United States is New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, whom the pope will elevate to cardinal next month.
Dolan fought against gay marriage before it became legal in New York state last June, and in September he sent a letter to President Barack Obama criticizing his administration's decision not to support a federal ban on gay marriage.
In that letter Dolan, who holds the powerful post of president of the U.S. Bishops Conference, said such a policy could "precipitate a national conflict between church and state of enormous proportions."
The Roman Catholic Church, which has some 1.3 billion members worldwide, teaches that while homosexual tendencies are not sinful, homosexual acts are, and that children should grow up in a traditional family with a mother and a father.
"The family unit is fundamental for the educational process and for the development both of individuals and states; hence there is a need for policies which promote the family and aid social cohesion and dialogue," Benedict told the diplomats.
Gay marriage is legal in a number of European countries, including Spain and the Netherlands.
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The pope seriously needs to stop getting his knickers in a twist over gay marriage and quit telling people how they should live their lives.
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Baha, this senile quack just doesn't know what non-issue to wet his incontinence pad over next.
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Well, the pope also said that condoms weren't effective at preventing the AIDS crisis in Africa...........
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The sooner this cretin keeps his ****ing nose out of people's individual rights, the better the Catholic Church will look.
Who is he to dismiss other people's happiness?
Frankly, if his faith in God is put behind 3" of bullet-proof glass, he has little right to say he's spreading God's Will.
Who is he to dismiss other people's happiness?
Frankly, if his faith in God is put behind 3" of bullet-proof glass, he has little right to say he's spreading God's Will.
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(Original post by angelbones)
Well, the pope also said that condoms weren't effective at preventing the AIDS crisis in Africa...........
Well, the pope also said that condoms weren't effective at preventing the AIDS crisis in Africa...........
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(Original post by NB_ide)
What did he actually say, find it for me and remind yourself.
What did he actually say, find it for me and remind yourself.
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Pope Benedict XVI, who is making his first papal visit to Africa, has said that handing out condoms is not the answer in the fight against HIV/Aids.
The pontiff, who preaches marital fidelity and abstinence, said the practice only increased the problem.
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As for whether more gay couples, and devaluing/discouraging conventional family units will change society - well yes, obviously it will/has. That's the whole point. Anyone with a drop of sense really wants to see society changed in that way, though. The m+f family uni represents the old ways and is a broadly negative device, while gay couples and gay interactions are the new way, immensely trendy and to be encouraged from the very earliest age.
We know that being gay isn't entirely genetically determined, and upbringing plays a significant role. We start to indoctrinate children, before they can even walk, that boys should like girls, and vice versa. This kind of entrenched homophobia must go, and thankfully we're winning more victories all the time. Now primary-school children are given education on gay sex and relationships, and encouraged that it is a good thing to try. Just like before they were told m+f is good, try that.
We need to tear down anything that leads to a stable society and firm morals that benefit everyone. Change is coming!
We know that being gay isn't entirely genetically determined, and upbringing plays a significant role. We start to indoctrinate children, before they can even walk, that boys should like girls, and vice versa. This kind of entrenched homophobia must go, and thankfully we're winning more victories all the time. Now primary-school children are given education on gay sex and relationships, and encouraged that it is a good thing to try. Just like before they were told m+f is good, try that.
We need to tear down anything that leads to a stable society and firm morals that benefit everyone. Change is coming!
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(Original post by angelbones)
I am paraphrasing from what I remember here, I haven't slept in a couple of days
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Pope Benedict XVI, who is making his first papal visit to Africa, has said that handing out condoms is not the answer in the fight against HIV/Aids.
The pontiff, who preaches marital fidelity and abstinence, said the practice only increased the problem.
I am paraphrasing from what I remember here, I haven't slept in a couple of days
Edit: Here you go
Pope Benedict XVI, who is making his first papal visit to Africa, has said that handing out condoms is not the answer in the fight against HIV/Aids.
The pontiff, who preaches marital fidelity and abstinence, said the practice only increased the problem.
I've heard plenty of people criticise that all-too-obvious approach to tackling the problem, and it gets taken seriously and thought about. There's far more that could be done, and people's behaviour and morals needs to be changed (very difficult). But when the pope says it, it's all LOLOL WHAT A FRUITCAKE HE IS ABSOLUTELY OFF HIS ROCKER LOLOL
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(Original post by NB_ide)
As for whether more gay couples, and devaluing/discouraging conventional family units will change society - well yes, obviously it will/has. That's the whole point. Anyone with a drop of sense really wants to see society changed in that way, though. The m+f family uni represents the old ways and is a broadly negative device, while gay couples and gay interactions are the new way, immensely trendy and to be encouraged from the very earliest age.
We know that being gay isn't entirely genetically determined, and upbringing plays a significant role. We start to indoctrinate children, before they can even walk, that boys should like girls, and vice versa. This kind of entrenched homophobia must go, and thankfully we're winning more victories all the time. Now primary-school children are given education on gay sex and relationships, and encouraged that it is a good thing to try. Just like before they were told m+f is good, try that.
We need to tear down anything that leads to a stable society and firm morals that benefit everyone. Change is coming!
As for whether more gay couples, and devaluing/discouraging conventional family units will change society - well yes, obviously it will/has. That's the whole point. Anyone with a drop of sense really wants to see society changed in that way, though. The m+f family uni represents the old ways and is a broadly negative device, while gay couples and gay interactions are the new way, immensely trendy and to be encouraged from the very earliest age.
We know that being gay isn't entirely genetically determined, and upbringing plays a significant role. We start to indoctrinate children, before they can even walk, that boys should like girls, and vice versa. This kind of entrenched homophobia must go, and thankfully we're winning more victories all the time. Now primary-school children are given education on gay sex and relationships, and encouraged that it is a good thing to try. Just like before they were told m+f is good, try that.
We need to tear down anything that leads to a stable society and firm morals that benefit everyone. Change is coming!
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(Original post by NB_ide)
And do you disagree with his assessment? Do we have data and results that suggest dishing out condoms is actually effective at stemming the spread of HIV/AIDS?
I've heard plenty of people criticise that all-too-obvious approach to tackling the problem, and it gets taken seriously and thought about. There's far more that could be done, and people's behaviour and morals needs to be changed (very difficult). But when the pope says it, it's all LOLOL WHAT A FRUITCAKE HE IS ABSOLUTELY OFF HIS ROCKER LOLOL
And do you disagree with his assessment? Do we have data and results that suggest dishing out condoms is actually effective at stemming the spread of HIV/AIDS?
I've heard plenty of people criticise that all-too-obvious approach to tackling the problem, and it gets taken seriously and thought about. There's far more that could be done, and people's behaviour and morals needs to be changed (very difficult). But when the pope says it, it's all LOLOL WHAT A FRUITCAKE HE IS ABSOLUTELY OFF HIS ROCKER LOLOL
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It's not his call how other people run their lives. He can think it wrong and sinful, but there shouldn't be laws over it. Just like he should be allowed to practice whatever religious things he wants, despite much of us disagreeing with him, homosexuals should be allowed the same rights as heterosexuals, despite people like the Pope disagreeing with them.
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(Original post by angelbones)
promoting the use of condoms will help.
promoting the use of condoms will help.
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(Original post by NB_ide)
As for whether more gay couples, and devaluing/discouraging conventional family units will change society - well yes, obviously it will/has. That's the whole point. Anyone with a drop of sense really wants to see society changed in that way, though. The m+f family uni represents the old ways and is a broadly negative device, while gay couples and gay interactions are the new way, immensely trendy and to be encouraged from the very earliest age.
We know that being gay isn't entirely genetically determined, and upbringing plays a significant role. We start to indoctrinate children, before they can even walk, that boys should like girls, and vice versa. This kind of entrenched homophobia must go, and thankfully we're winning more victories all the time. Now primary-school children are given education on gay sex and relationships, and encouraged that it is a good thing to try. Just like before they were told m+f is good, try that.
We need to tear down anything that leads to a stable society and firm morals that benefit everyone. Change is coming!
As for whether more gay couples, and devaluing/discouraging conventional family units will change society - well yes, obviously it will/has. That's the whole point. Anyone with a drop of sense really wants to see society changed in that way, though. The m+f family uni represents the old ways and is a broadly negative device, while gay couples and gay interactions are the new way, immensely trendy and to be encouraged from the very earliest age.
We know that being gay isn't entirely genetically determined, and upbringing plays a significant role. We start to indoctrinate children, before they can even walk, that boys should like girls, and vice versa. This kind of entrenched homophobia must go, and thankfully we're winning more victories all the time. Now primary-school children are given education on gay sex and relationships, and encouraged that it is a good thing to try. Just like before they were told m+f is good, try that.
We need to tear down anything that leads to a stable society and firm morals that benefit everyone. Change is coming!
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#16
breeding like rabbits is a threat to humanity. anyway, the pope is the head of christianity, therefore nothing he says should be taken seriously. **** the pope.
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(Original post by NB_ide)
Has it helped so far? I don't know, presumably somebody does.
Has it helped so far? I don't know, presumably somebody does.
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(Original post by NB_ide)
And do you disagree with his assessment? Do we have data and results that suggest dishing out condoms is actually effective at stemming the spread of HIV/AIDS?
I've heard plenty of people criticise that all-too-obvious approach to tackling the problem, and it gets taken seriously and thought about. There's far more that could be done, and people's behaviour and morals needs to be changed (very difficult). But when the pope says it, it's all LOLOL WHAT A FRUITCAKE HE IS ABSOLUTELY OFF HIS ROCKER LOLOL
And do you disagree with his assessment? Do we have data and results that suggest dishing out condoms is actually effective at stemming the spread of HIV/AIDS?
I've heard plenty of people criticise that all-too-obvious approach to tackling the problem, and it gets taken seriously and thought about. There's far more that could be done, and people's behaviour and morals needs to be changed (very difficult). But when the pope says it, it's all LOLOL WHAT A FRUITCAKE HE IS ABSOLUTELY OFF HIS ROCKER LOLOL
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