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You are mental OP just earn enough money to get private healthcare, and then you won't have to worry.

I am for private healthcare because I think it can be very beneficial for companies and even for the NHS, but privatisation of the whole thing is stupid.
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(Original post by Otkem)
At least I wouldn't be paying for other peoples' healthcare.
Yeah well that's pretty much what this boils down to isn't it. Why bring some poor unfortunate woman's death into it at all? It's just pathetic.
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(Original post by Otkem)
At least I wouldn't be paying for other peoples' healthcare.
whilst u are paying for theirs, they are paying for yours.
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the NHS is one of the cornerstones of the welfare state! be grateful that there IS such a thing.

u suggest scrapping it. what would u replace it with? and presume that if u think the NHS that rubbish u have private healthcare. what makes u think human error cannot happen there, just as readily?
I would encourage (but not force) people to purchase private health insurnance.
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Wait, take a step back - what's been a bigger medical news story this week? The whole farse with faulty breast implants which all came from PRIVATISED medical providers. The silicon that we use to line our baths and showers with was used due to it's low cost. Now if this is what happens with optional operations like this, imagine if our whole medical system was left up to private medical providers. Disaster.

We should be proud of our NHS, it didn't get voted the greatest political policy of the 20th century for no reason.
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(Original post by Otkem)
I would encourage (but not force) people to purchase private health insurnance.
Why don't you worry about yourself and let others make the decision of whether they want private health insurance.
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(Original post by Otkem)
I would encourage (but not force) people to purchase private health insurnance.
that option already exists?
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(Original post by Otkem)
At least I wouldn't be paying for other peoples' healthcare.
So what if you needed an operation and couldn't afford it? And you didn't have medical insurance.
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(Original post by Otkem)
I would encourage (but not force) people to purchase private health insurnance.
What about the people that cannot afford it? What about the people that get hit by a car and then don't have insurance? Let them die?
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What about the people that cannot afford it? What about the people that get hit by a car and then don't have insurance? Let them die?
I think I can guess what your answer will be here.
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(Original post by Otkem)
I would encourage (but not force) people to purchase private health insurnance.
We can see health insurance works SO well in the US.

Why am I even replying :facepalm:
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We can see health insurance works SO well in the US.

Why am I even replying :facepalm:
British cancer survival rates are appalling compared to the USA. Americans pity us.
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British cancer survival rates are appalling compared to the USA. Americans pity us.
Apart from the fact they were trying to get a bill to make their own NHS....
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(Original post by Otkem)
I would encourage (but not force) people to purchase private health insurnance.
Yes, because everyone in the country can afford that. Seriously, how deluded are you?

(Original post by Silkielemon)
Because, humans are not laid out nicely inside. It's messy, it's all red and even experienced members of staff can make mistakes.
Obviously not excusing the mistake of the surgeon but with regards to the story this is a very important point to make. There's so much blood and tissue surrounding everything your view is massively obscured. So if something is somewhere where it's not meant to be and you don't expect it- that's when the problem arises. A few years ago I lost a lot of sensation (temporarily) in my lower jaw because the nerve that provides the sensation to that area happened to be sat by the roots of my wisdom teeth (where it's not meant to be). Obviously the surgeons didn't know that, popped the teeth out and a few x rays later, noticed that they'd accidentally chopped through the nerves that supply the area.
But yeah you're right OP, surgery is just so damn easy, and making people pay for it will help the doctors see things better.
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What about the people that cannot afford it? What about the people that get hit by a car and then don't have insurance? Let them die?
If they couldn't be arsed to purchase insurance (I would make it very affordable), they would receive this response on arrival at the hospital:

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(Original post by Otkem)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s...wales-16533134

And this is in a part of the UK with more socialised medicine than England. In my opinion, the word 'incompetence' is etched across the NHS. These kind of stories are becoming too much of a common occurence. I mean how the ****ing hell do you take out the wrong organ?

What would you do to remedy the situation? My solution would be to privatise the whole thing, as when a hospital is more concerned about attracting patients as a method of funding rather than relying on taxpayer handouts, they won't so half-soaked as to take out your liver instead of your kidney.
it sounded to me like the doctors made an honest mistake, and it's led to changes to how the procedure is done. Plus, I wonder how many old ladies the NHS saved today?
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(Original post by Otkem)
If they couldn't be arsed to purchase insurance (I would make it very affordable), they would receive this response on arrival at the hospital:

How would you make it affordable?

A few fun facts about health insurance in the US :

"Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States. " (2004)
http://www.iom.edu/Reports/2004/Insu...endations.aspx

"Lack of health insurance is associated with as many as 44789 deaths per year in the United States" (2009)
http://www.pnhp.org/excessdeaths/hea...-US-adults.pdf
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My solution would be to privatise the whole thing, as when a hospital is more concerned about attracting patients as a method of funding rather than relying on taxpayer handouts, they won't so half-soaked as to take out your liver instead of your kidney.
So just to clarify your impeccable logic... being profit driven eliminates the risk of mistakes?
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(Original post by Otkem)
If they couldn't be arsed to purchase insurance (I would make it very affordable), they would receive this response on arrival at the hospital:
Great.

To make it 'affordable' you'd have to subsidise it.

WAHEY THE NHS AGAIN.

You see how your logic is circular and pointless? If you want it cheap, it'll be government funded, which is the NHS. If you don't want it cheap, you want people to die for no reason like the US.

Also; on cancer Read

It won't nearly be as big a gap as you seem to make out.
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So just to clarify your impeccable logic... being profit driven eliminates the risk of mistakes?
Yes, as more due care and attention will be taken. Paying for other people's healthcare is the thing in life that I most resent. Greedy ****ers lapping up my taxes.
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