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So the surgeon just decided to snip wherever he wanted because he wanted to clock off five minutes earlier? Yeah, that's obviously how people think when trying to save someone's life.
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Adam Carter works for the NHS because Adam Carter wasn't good enough to get a job in a commercial system. If anything, that makes me fear NHS doctors more than respect their dedication.
That's quite a defamatory comment. Do you have proof for that?
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WHAT???... this is madness. It was human error. Scrap the NHS??? Oh yeah silly me... because OBVIOUSLY if we all paid ridiculous amounts of money for our healthcare then the surgeons would automatically get better at their jobs and become robots who are incapable of making honest mistakes.. Think about it...
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(Original post by Otkem)
I would encourage (but not force) people to purchase private health insurnance.
Do YOU have private health insurance?
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(Original post by Keckers)
The American health care model is not based on free markets.

It's barely even privatised for that matter.

Edit: Bloody hell, do the majority of people seriously believe the only other health care model anywhere in the world is the American system?!
Fundamentally there are two healthcare systems

1. government funded / underwritten and universally accessible

2. privately funded and access depends on ability to pay

high performing systems fall into no.1 regardless of the 'ownership' of provider units.

you could 'privatise' the NHS quite easily in that providers could be sold or bought out or turned into social enterprises, the fundamental principle of universal access and funding underwritten by government / statutory insurers would not be changed by that .

GP services have been overwhelmingly 'private' in this way since 1948 as are Community Pharmacies, NHS community Optometry , and a far chunk of NHS community Dentistry ...

increasing volumes of elective surgery are also 'privatised' by buying capacity in the independent sector, ditto with Intermediate care beds in Privately owned care homes ...
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(Original post by zippyRN)
Private healthcare n the UK exists only because it can cherry pick the most profitable procedures and can dump patients on the NHS when it goes wrong.
I disagree. I don't think hernia ops are profitable, but my dad had one and went private because he has a healthcare package. Whole thing happened pretty fast, and he was back to work in no time.

If I could I would get private healthcare I need surgery have been in pain for 6/7 months now, and have will have to wait till feb to hopefully get it. Nothing wrong with the NHS but I would want private if I could get it.
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Operations go wrong sometimes. Perhaps you'd like to demonstrate a healthcare system where mistakes don't occur?
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(Original post by Otkem)
If they couldn't be arsed to purchase insurance (I would make it very affordable), they would receive this response on arrival at the hospital:

So in other words, you would have to regulate the market and/or subsidise it but here's your dilemma. That's a form of socialism It's not about not being "arsed", it's about not affording it. There is a difference

If you like the US so much, why don't you just get lost and go there. The Republicans will love you and we won't miss you at all

(Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
it sounded to me like the doctors made an honest mistake, and it's led to changes to how the procedure is done. Plus, I wonder how many old ladies the NHS saved today?
Exactly. This will probably increase survival rates worldwide by reducing the risk of error. This inquiry has been good for world health in general


(Original post by Otkem)
It would be partly subsidised to make it affordable, not a state-run killing machine (i.e. the NHS in its present form).
Don't you DARE call the NHS a "killing machine" This inquiry has led to a better procedure in how the operation is done WORLDWIDE. I'd rather a health service that costs half of a "freemarket" service and reaches 100% of the population than making people pay for their treatment and many people dying because they can't get insurance because of monetary means or they are refused it


(Original post by Otkem)
Adam Carter works for the NHS because Adam Carter wasn't good enough to get a job in a commercial system. If anything, that makes me fear NHS doctors more than respect their dedication.
I SOO wish that Adam Carter sees this and sues you for libel. You have no proof and the criteria to get in to medicine is really strict. They won't just let ANY ONE in... These are people handling life/death situations
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(Original post by Otkem)
Adam Carter works for the NHS because Adam Carter wasn't good enough to get a job in a commercial system. If anything, that makes me fear NHS doctors more than respect their dedication.
Actually most private doctors are full time NHS Consultants who do a bit of private work on the side maybe one day a week just to earn some extra pocket money. So if you're scared of NHS doctors then you're also scared of most private doctors. Oh dear, it looks like there isn't anyone left to treat you!
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(Original post by AlmostChicGeek)
I disagree. I don't think hernia ops are profitable, but my dad had one and went private because he has a healthcare package. Whole thing happened pretty fast, and he was back to work in no time.

If I could I would get private healthcare I need surgery have been in pain for 6/7 months now, and have will have to wait till feb to hopefully get it. Nothing wrong with the NHS but I would want private if I could get it.
a straight forward Hernia op can be extremely profitable, now try and find a private unit that will do the same op on someone with co-morbidity, mental capacity issues

nice carpets, sky tv, tea on a tray with a doily and a wine list won't help you when your repair bursts or you throw a clot and have a massive PE ... most private hospitals dial 999 while waking the career failure-grade they pay to be the on call doctor when this happens and hope an ambulance gets there in time ...
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(Original post by Chwirkytheappleboy)
Actually most private doctors are full time NHS Consultants who do a bit of private work on the side maybe one day a week just to earn some extra pocket money. So if you're scared of NHS doctors then you're also scared of most private doctors. Oh dear, it looks like there isn't anyone left to treat you!
i know of a handful of Doctors who work solely in the private sector , most of them had 15 -20 years of NHS consultancy behind them when they jumped ship.

and with the exception of military GPs / Occ health docs military senior Doctors have a Shadow NHS appointment usually in an MDHU.
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(Original post by zippyRN)
a straight forward Hernia op can be extremely profitable, now try and find a private unit that will do the same op on someone with co-morbidity, mental capacity issues

nice carpets, sky tv, tea on a tray with a doily and a wine list won't help you when your repair bursts or you throw a clot and have a massive PE ... most private hospitals dial 999 while waking the career failure-grade they pay to be the on call doctor when this happens and hope an ambulance gets there in time ...
Proof of this please? I don't outright deny this, just never heard of this at all

And you can hate them if you will, still doesn't change that if they think my op is 'profitable' I would not be in pain and be on so many tablets, and if I pay for it how is that harming anyone? Would take some strain off the nhs?
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(Original post by AlmostChicGeek)
Whole thing happened pretty fast, and he was back to work in no time.
Exactly; simple quick operation with few risks of complications, no need for long hospital stays on high dependency units, can probably be done as a day surgery with one or two quick follow up consultations. Easy money.
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(Original post by Chwirkytheappleboy)
Exactly; simple quick operation with few risks of complications, no need for long hospital stays on high dependency units, can probably be done as a day surgery with one or two quick follow up consultations. Easy money.
And you think that is bad because? I don't see how it is harming anyone at all?
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(Original post by AlmostChicGeek)
And you think that is bad because? I don't see how it is harming anyone at all?
I didn't say it was bad. You said his operation wasn't profitable, I'm saying it most probably was very profitable
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(Original post by Keckers)
The American health care model is not based on free markets.

It's barely even privatised for that matter.

Edit: Bloody hell, do the majority of people seriously believe the only other health care model anywhere in the world is the American system?!
No, but Otkem loves the American model, so we all criticise that. Also, America likes to be bigger and better when instead it's just more expensive and less efficient
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No, our doctors are too busy murdering them. Was it 300 that Harold Shipman killed?
What's your evidence that he wouldn't have done exactly the same working for a private company? Psychopaths will be psychopaths.
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What's your evidence that he wouldn't have done exactly the same working for a private company? Psychopaths will be psychopaths.
I asked him this earlier, surprisingly enough, he's not answered.
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(Original post by AlmostChicGeek)
Proof of this please? I don't outright deny this, just never heard of this at all

And you can hate them if you will, still doesn't change that if they think my op is 'profitable' I would not be in pain and be on so many tablets, and if I pay for it how is that harming anyone? Would take some strain off the nhs?
just have a look back through the umpteen other threads of this nature and you'll find the same kind of stories regarding private hospitals

an NHS hospital has 24 hour a day consultant cover - this is part of the consultant contract

in many NHS hospitals you will kind that there are consultants on site for 12-16 hours a day and in some there are anaesthetists and EM consultants on site 20 -24 hours a day.

information aobut RMOs in private hospitals - and remember this is trying to sell the job to Doctors ...
http://www.capemed.com/rmo.html

http://careers.bmj.com/careers/advic...le.html?id=422


so tell me are you really sure you want to be operated on in a hospital with no critical care beds, no resident anaesthetist cover and only one junior doctor out of hours ?

where concerns such as these remain in place http://www.patientprotect.org/ennals.html
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Otkem trolling again, I hate the NHS blahdeblah.

He starts one of these threads every week, look at his thread starting history, same topic all the time.

Although in the middle of his threads about the NHS he did make one saying he wanted to go on holiday to North Korea, :hahaha:
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