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And you think that is bad because? I don't see how it is harming anyone at all?
no-one says it's harming anyone , but unfortunately not all elective surgery is nice and straightforward like that ...

your Dad's op and recovery were not straightforward because he went private, had he had the Op in an NHS hospital it is almost certainly the case that the path would have been exactly the same.
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My grandmother lost 4 of her siblings to preventable diseases because they were from a poor family in 1920's Liverpool. It is no bad thing that a country with the wealth of the UK no longer subjects its citizens to such unnecessary hardship.
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**** this really hurt me badly I won't want go through that way hope the person get sorted out!!!!
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The patient's anatomy was abnormal leading to complications in the procedure and when the surgeon realised this, he acted immediately to rectify it. The surgeon has been proved to be competent. This incident had nothing to do with the shortcomings on the NHS...this could have happened to any doctor anywhere in the world.

Be grateful you have access to excellent healthcare without having to worry about bankrupting yourself for treatment.
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Fundamentally there are two healthcare systems

1. government funded / underwritten and universally accessible

2. privately funded and access depends on ability to pay

high performing systems fall into no.1 regardless of the 'ownership' of provider units.

you could 'privatise' the NHS quite easily in that providers could be sold or bought out or turned into social enterprises, the fundamental principle of universal access and funding underwritten by government / statutory insurers would not be changed by that .

GP services have been overwhelmingly 'private' in this way since 1948 as are Community Pharmacies, NHS community Optometry , and a far chunk of NHS community Dentistry ...

increasing volumes of elective surgery are also 'privatised' by buying capacity in the independent sector, ditto with Intermediate care beds in Privately owned care homes ...
You've over simplified a very complex issue to justify the NHS.

The best thing that can happen to any service is the element of competition, see the 2006 Dutch health reforms for an example. Although I'd argue that the Dutch model should provide more freedom to the consumer.
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(Original post by zippyRN)
no-one says it's harming anyone , but unfortunately not all elective surgery is nice and straightforward like that ...

your Dad's op and recovery were not straightforward because he went private, had he had the Op in an NHS hospital it is almost certainly the case that the path would have been exactly the same.
No, it was much faster with regards to waiting times and such likes He wouldn't have gotten it as fast, and how do you know that it would have been the exact same?

I've asked you for proof about your claims about private healthcare providers and you haven't provided any?
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(Original post by AlmostChicGeek)
No, it was much faster with regards to waiting times and such likes He wouldn't have gotten it as fast, and how do you know that it would have been the exact same?

I've asked you for proof about your claims about private healthcare providers and you haven't provided any?
you conveniently ignored the fact I provided reference to the working conditions of RMOs in private hospitals and pointed you in the direction of the many previous threads on the topic.

plus of course things like this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/452265.stm while the news report dates from 1999 there has not been a substantial change the availability of critical care beds in private hospitals since

and while this report is from the Daily Mail it shows that issues with private hospitals remain a a concern http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hospitals.html

the AAGBI have concerns about private hospitals and the robustness of arrangements in place and that is only a few months ago

http://www.aagbi.org/sites/default/f....11%5B1%5D.pdf

even the citizen's advice bureau raises concerns of the ability of private hospitals to deliver service http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/h_priv..._treatment.pdf


an NHS trust admitting it's ITU beds have to be used because Local Private Hospitals cannot provide ITU care ... http://www.ashfordstpeters.nhs.uk/intensive-care


surgical errors and poor care are not confined to the NHS

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-hospital.html

points to consider here

1. in an NHS hospital she would have been seen within minutes of concerns being raised by nursing staff

2. the antibiotics not prescribed by the consultant would have been prescribed again within minutes by the resident junior or registrar

3. she probably would not have required an ambulance transfer to ITU and would have been properly prepared and escorted if that had been the only option ( and that would only arise if she were the 'least sick' of patients in level 3 beds on-site)
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Because the private sector is doing such a great job with the breast implant scare at the moment :rolleyes:
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I'd say you yourself should replace the NHS... All the people that work for the NHS should be replaced by you and you alone because you're the ****ing expert who wants things done right every single time with no possibility of a mistake...
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The NHS can't just be scrapped on the basis that it supposedly 'killed' an elderly lady. There are many positive things about the NHS, it probably 'cures' lots of elderly ladies as well. People die in hospital unfortunately, hospitals make mistakes. All I know is that our NHS should be cherished and invested into.
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(Original post by Otkem)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-s...wales-16533134

And this is in a part of the UK with more socialised medicine than England. In my opinion, the word 'incompetence' is etched across the NHS. These kind of stories are becoming too much of a common occurence. I mean how the ****ing hell do you take out the wrong organ?

What would you do to remedy the situation? My solution would be to privatise the whole thing, as when a hospital is more concerned about attracting patients as a method of funding rather than relying on taxpayer handouts, they won't so half-soaked as to take out your liver instead of your kidney.
Why don't you answer my question? Is it because you are a hypocrite? I asked you if you have private insurance or not and you haven't given an answer yet
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Why don't you answer my question? Is it because you are a hypocrite? I asked you if you have private insurance or not and you haven't given an answer yet
I have private insurance to cover my dental fees etc, but cannot afford it for the rest because the British population (who seem to need the Govt to wipe their arses for them) keep stealing my money to pay for their healthcare; the greedy ****ers. They make me sick.
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I have private insurance to cover my dental fees etc, but cannot afford it for the rest because the British population (who seem to need the Govt to wipe their arses for them) keep stealing my money to pay for their healthcare; the greedy ****ers. They make me sick.
Lololololol. You tell others to get private insurance and the people that don't have it "can't be arsed" to get it. You are "stealing" the British population's money whenever you go in to hospital or to a doctor, for whatever ailment you have; even if it is minor.

So yeah, HYPOCRITE! I'd actually like to see you run as PM. It'd make me laugh a lot
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(Original post by de_monies)
Lololololol. You tell others to get private insurance and the people that don't have it "can't be arsed" to get it. You are "stealing" the British population's money whenever you go in to hospital or to a doctor, for whatever minor thing you have.

So yeah, HYPOCRITE!
I would happily have the whole thing scrapped and purchase health insurance. Every month when my wages are paid in, I resent the amount that I'm taxed to pay for your healthcare, you thieving bugger.
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I would happily have the whole thing scrapped and purchase health insurance. Every month when my wages are paid in, I resent the amount that I'm taxed to pay for your healthcare, you thieving bugger.
Unfortunately youre in the minority so tough ****.
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I would happily have the whole thing scrapped and purchase health insurance. Every month when my wages are paid in, I resent the amount that I'm taxed to pay for your healthcare, you thieving bugger.
Lololol. You're taxes also pay for police, education, fire services etc...

I've hardly ever needed to use the NHS, thankfully so Im hardly "thieving" You say you can't afford health insurance so I doubt you even would pay for it.

Just because the NHS is scrapped, it doesn't mean that your taxes will be lowered. Your taxes will likely remain the same
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I would happily have the whole thing scrapped and purchase health insurance. Every month when my wages are paid in, I resent the amount that I'm taxed to pay for your healthcare, you thieving bugger.
Even if the NHS was scrapped, the money that was used to fund the NHS would not line the tax payers pockets again, it would just go to more government funded projects. If they can get money out of us they will... whether the NHS is here or not.
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Even if the NHS was scrapped, the money that was used to fund the NHS would not line the tax payers pockets again, it would just go to more government funded projects. If they can get money out of us they will... whether the NHS is here or not.
This. Exactly the point I was trying to make
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I have private insurance to cover my dental fees etc, but cannot afford it for the rest because the British population (who seem to need the Govt to wipe their arses for them) keep stealing my money to pay for their healthcare; the greedy ****ers. They make me sick.
You know when you inevitably have an emergency medical issue, say a heart attack or a car crash, guess who'll try and save your life. It won't be your private hospital, it'll be the NHS. I think you'll change your tune then and be thankful it is there.
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Oh no. British healthcare is one of the best in the world, along with every other nationalised health care systems such as France, Cuba etc.
The USA is some of the worst comparing to countries such as Nigeria and Botswana.. I don't see your point.
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