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(Original post by Firebird)

I don't know why you assume that because someone has rich parents, the parents are going to just dole out money. They don't. For example, I'm broke. If I had poor parents, I would actually have a hell of a lot more money, which is stupid, because the people whose parents work hard in good jobs should have money, and the kids whose parents don't work hard and have crap jobs, or are unemployed, should have no money!

It pisses me off when I see kids who have parents who have done sweet bugger all and have crap jobs, and are rewarded for this by being given EMA.
And it pisses me off when I see kids who think that just because my mum earns less than £15,000 per year she has spent her life doing 'sweet bugger all and has a crap job'. In actual fact she has spent the majority of her life since the age of 18 managing jobs, working crazy hours during the week to support her 3 children alone without any form of financial support from our estranged father.... Except of course the government doesn't believe that we have never received a penny from him and are insisting that we are getting money, when in reality we are caught up in the 'absent fathers' cycle.

Granted, I don't know you or your family situation, but yes, your parents do earn a substantial amount more than my mum, but that’s not to say that they haven't both worked like hell over their lives to provide for themselves and their children. An income does not determine whether you're hard working or not, its all relative.

I realise EMA isn't fair, but one thing I've learnt in life is that it isn't fair. There are always going to be people out there who you think 'wow if I was in their situation I'd be so much better off because then I could get/have XYZ', and they're probably sat looking at you thinking the exact same thing. That seems to be the case with EMA.

My mother is not in debt. We own our own home and have never had a mortgage. She has 3 children, one currently studying at Durham and another to start university in September, and a 13 year old. She has spent her entire parenting life devoted to my brothers and I, yet we don't have much money so I get £30 per week of EMA. Great. But the basic reason I get EMA, and I suspect the reason loads of other kids do, is because we've lived the majority of our lives with only one parent and knowing the other doesn't give a **** about us or love us one bit. Yeah, EMA is very helpful and I definitely wouldn't be able to get through college without it as my mum can not afford to help me, even though she wants to. But if earning just over £30,000 and getting nothing- which we most probably would if my dad was around- meant that I'd have a dad, then I know which I'd choose.

[I realise that is a hypothetical situation, I'm not aiming it at anyone as obviously everyone has family 'issues' regardless of their income, but in my case, and my friends, if the government got their act together in other areas then we probably wouldn't be receiving EMA.]
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one of my good friends summed EMA up rather poigniantly when he said....

"im due two weeks EMA, when it comes through into my account im gonna spend it ALL on weed"
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To whoever is harrassing me with bad reps - no I am not still in school, I'm in my first year at University and thinking EMA is a good scheme does not making me childish, ignorant or indeed stupid. It is the attitude that people like you take that gives rich people a bad name. I'm in favour of a benefit system to improve the rights of the economically deprived so I must be an idealist, socialist kid with no concept of the real world right? I think growing up in a deprived area and seeing what a rough background can do to ruin people's futures and education gives me a much better perspective of the real world than a judgemental, privately educated, middle class conservative could ever have. I mean people like me with poor parents and a crap home town are all just lazy, drug taking, benefit scrounging failures eh?

End of rant.
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because obviously everyone over a £30K income is privately educated and a tory....
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because obviously everyone over a £30K income is privately educated and a tory....
Yes that's exactly what I said. CLEARLY I was using an exaggerated stereotype to highlight the idiocy of the accusations being thrown out at people who get EMA. I'm being nagged with bad reps like:

"I'm guessing you're still in school but that's no excuse to be rude or to be quite so slow"

"you need to get out of the cave you're obviously living in"

Nothing like a civil debate eh? :rolleyes:
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well people are justified to post their observations of abuse of the EMA system

it just pisses me off at times because i have to work to get all of my money on top of going to school, in a place which makes me really quite depressed. now i could quit, and be left in the situation where i can't afford any of my supplies for art and DT. so far my DT coursework has come to about £70, and i still have more to buy. then there was my art portfolio. that came to a ridiculous amount of money too. Now if people i knew were spending some of the money they get for turning up to school on actual school stuff [as i said before. most of these people i know complain they can't afford their school stuff, because they use their EMA on getting drunk] it wouldn't bother me at all.

and i know people who really do need it, because it's their weekly contribution to the family income, as otherwise their parents would make them get jobs

but i'm kinda over the EMA thing. it's a good system which has been put in place for people in the latter situation, not the former. now student loans. that's a different issue all together....
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(Original post by Laika)
To whoever is harrassing me with bad reps - no I am not still in school, I'm in my first year at University and thinking EMA is a good scheme does not making me childish, ignorant or indeed stupid. It is the attitude that people like you take that gives rich people a bad name. I'm in favour of a benefit system to improve the rights of the economically deprived so I must be an idealist, socialist kid with no concept of the real world right? I think growing up in a deprived area and seeing what a rough background can do to ruin people's futures and education gives me a much better perspective of the real world than a judgemental, privately educated, middle class conservative could ever have. I mean people like me with poor parents and a crap home town are all just lazy, drug taking, benefit scrounging failures eh?

End of rant.
My parents earn more than 30k and I am not privately educated, not conservative, and I actually live in a really bad area - one example of this is the fact that in my school year only 33% got 5A-Cs, and only 16 people stayed on to sixth form. (I know a bad school doesn't necessarily equal a bad area, but thats just one example that came to my head)
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(Original post by ~Bex~)
My parents earn more than 30k and I am not privately educated, not conservative, and I actually live in a really bad area - one example of this is the fact that in my school year only 33% got 5A-Cs, and only 16 people stayed on to sixth form. (I know a bad school doesn't necessarily equal a bad area, but thats just one example that came to my head)
I didn't mention the 30k thing anywhere in my post. I am perfectly aware that it's only a modest salary. My best friend lives on the same street as me and went to the same school as me, I got the full EMA and he didn't get anything, I know his parents aren't that well off at all. But to be fair, his parents are paying the full cost of his University accomodation and they can't be earning much over 30k. My post was aimed at the attitude of people who think you shouldn't be able to get an education if you can't afoord it, as seen in this thread. I am in no way lumping together everyone earning more than 30k.
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With regards to EMA and uni funding, I think equal help should be available to everyone, but in order to get it you should have to show that you deserve it by working hard etc. I'm not sure exactly how this would be done, but maybe including things like references from teachers, stuff like that. I know in theory you only get EMA if you work hard etc. but I think this should be more strictly enforced, and apply to university funding as well.
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(Original post by Firebird)
I didn't say that. I was making a comparison that with everything else, if you can't afford it, you don't have one. A pair of shoes is the same price to everyone, they don't make them cheaper for poor people. If no one can afford the shoes, the sellers lower the price. Hence my point was (if you read it properly), education should be available to all and the same price to all. If you'd bothered to read the rest of my post, at some point I mentioned repaying fees once the student was learning, and not taking into account the parent's financial situation at all.
I'm sorry for misunderstanding your comparison, maybe you shouldn't have used such a terrible analogy! I don't agree with what you're saying. Education should be available fairly and equally to everybody? Yes I agree with that. But University is not free, it's extremely expensive. And some people come from extremely disadvantaged backgrounds, their economic situation is most certainly not fair and equal. So by charging such high rates for University, we would be excluding those from poorer backgrounds and only letting in those who could afford it. So financial aids are there to actually make the system more equal than it actually is by addressing that imbalance of social inequality.

Erm, let's see. You have absolutely no idea what kind of area I grew up in, and what kind of life I have; in fact you know nothing about me, so let's stop with the personal remarks and get to back some real debate, which is seriously lacking from your side.

I'm not surprised you're getting neg reps with such a bad attitude! Grow up!
That wasn't even directed at you (unless you're the one leaving abusive messages on my rep thingy - which judging by this comment is quite likely considering you repeat the same sentiments). If you really want to see more lengthy debates from my side, go read pages 13 onwards (rough guess) in the other EMA thread. In the mean time I will try and grow up.
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(Original post by Scienceboi)
one of my good friends summed EMA up rather poigniantly when he said....

"im due two weeks EMA, when it comes through into my account im gonna spend it ALL on weed"
Too many people are spending their EMA money drugs and ****, when many of us that do not get it would spend it on worthwhile causes.
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(Original post by Laika)
I'm sorry for misunderstanding your comparison, maybe you shouldn't have used such a terrible analogy! I don't agree with what you're saying. Education should be available fairly and equally to everybody? Yes I agree with that. But University is not free, it's extremely expensive. And some people come from extremely disadvantaged backgrounds, their economic situation is most certainly not fair and equal. So by charging such high rates for University, we would be excluding those from poorer backgrounds and only letting in those who could afford it. So financial aids are there to actually make the system more equal than it actually is by addressing that imbalance of social inequality.

except those from a poorer background WOULD be able to afford it, because the fees aren't paid back until you're making a certain amount a year
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except those from a poorer background WOULD be able to afford it, because the fees aren't paid back until you're making a certain amount a year
Maybe in the new system but in in my year we paid the fees upfront plus you need to consider accomodation and living costs, which students from poorer backgrounds typically need to take out a bigger loan for btw.
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(Original post by Laika)
Take heed future posters; try and recognise that not everyone is as well off as you are. Once you come to grips with a basic understanding of the economic inequality in this country, you might be better equipped to comment on EMA.
If you work hard and stop moaning then you will end up as well off as us... it's no use just moaning about how poor and helpless you are. By the way... economic inequality helps our economy to a certain degree; if everyone was 'well off' then aggregate demand within the economy would rise, causing rampant inflation (which is bad)... so stop moaning and feeling sorry.... be proud that you're helping to keep the economy stable
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EMA is a load of rubbish, its supposed to be for the students, but its based on parents earnings, why should that matter if its for the student, they should get a job themselves, thats enough money.

I dont get EMA, but i really dont want it, i have enough money from my job, i dont think anyone should have it, im one of say about 10 people in my 6th form not to get, those who do get it, dont need it.

Its a stupid system, the money should go on either reducing topup fees for uni, or on something else that is worthy.

Ok so iv had my little rant for the day lol
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If you work hard and stop moaning then you will end up as well off as us... it's no use just moaning about how poor and helpless you are. By the way... economic inequality helps our economy to a certain degree; if everyone was 'well off' then aggregate demand within the economy would rise, causing rampant inflation (which is bad)... so stop moaning and feeling sorry.... be proud that you're helping to keep the economy stable
That may be the most offensive and stupid post so far.

Firstly your post is insanely stupid and irrelevant. This has nothing to do with economics, it is about access to education, which I would hope you agree should be available to everyone, but without financial aid to the poorer members of society, this would not be the case.

Secondly the way you refer to a 'them' and 'us' is laughable. I don't think I need to explain why.

Thirdly, I am not moaning about how 'poor and helpless I am', I actually did work hard, got 3 A's at A Level and am now at Uni, so save the petty insults. Being in support of the thought behind EMA does not constitute moaning. Get off your high horse.
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(Original post by daaavo)
If you work hard and stop moaning then you will end up as well off as us... it's no use just moaning about how poor and helpless you are. By the way... economic inequality helps our economy to a certain degree; if everyone was 'well off' then aggregate demand within the economy would rise, causing rampant inflation (which is bad)... so stop moaning and feeling sorry.... be proud that you're helping to keep the economy stable
wow, you've blinded me with your AS-level economics prowess.

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wow, you've blinded me with your AS-level economics prowess.
looool....

economic inequality helps our economy to a certain degree; if everyone was 'well off' then aggregate demand within the economy would rise, causing rampant inflation (which is bad)... so stop moaning and feeling sorry.... be proud that you're helping to keep the economy stable

That's the biggest load of BS I think I have ever seen on this website, encouraging lower income families to stay poor because it helps the economy.

So are you saying that it's justifiable to the economy to pay out grants, social security benefits etc as discussed in the last 4 pages that make up the majority of govt. expenditure, instead of encouraging families to earn more, making them self sufficient and the whole multiplier effect blah blah blah ? What about imports, or supply side policies to increase Aggregate supply to match your theorised increase in AD to prevent inflation? Methinks you need to pull out Unit 3 for Dummies and have a good read....


Look around you, just because you read some theory in a textbook it's not the blanket solution for poor families, do you think somebody would be content with risking the repo man just because they were told they are "helping the economy?"

Grow up, and reconsider the weighting for APPLICATION of economics before you come bleating here again.

All said from an AS eco student :rolleyes:
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Your point being..........
My point was that people complain that they don't get the EMA because they are not entitled to it... well there is a good reason for people to be entitled to it. Maybe if i was to explain my full situation then you would understand why getting £30 a week.. providing i have 95% attendance for that week is of a great benefit to both me and my brother.

I currently do have a part time job and lend my dad money whenever i can afford to. my dad is a single parent and we do not receive any form of support from our mother. My dad is on a very low income and is in debt, not entirely through his own fault... how bout you try juggling two young kids for 15 years, a full time job and childcare?
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im not attacking you about this. just this situation. EMA should be used for exactly what it's called "Education Maintenance Allowance". It is for the use of your current education. Not your university education. What it seems is that many people on this board are putting the money into an account to use next year or the year after.... so let's say there's 30 school weeks [sounds about right]. 30x30=900, with interest could go up considerably more. Then, taking into the account that they get EMA in the first place, they will be getting a full loan and a £3000 grant...

Now I don't really care that I don't get £30 EMA. I work at the weekends for my money and stuff, and school stuff is mainly paid for by my parents. But next year I will be getting 3/4 of a loan and no more than that [yes i will be getting assistance from my parents, only because the government has forced me into being reliant on them. the whole point of topup fees was to make fee paying independant from our parents... so shouldn't we all be on an equal playing field?]... Now if the government had given me the loan a year or two in advance I could also put the money in a high interest account... [im cranky today....]
If you were to read the information booklet it does not specify that it must be spent on college expenses.. it gives examples of those who give help to their parents etc. I could say that I'm spending my EMA on my lunch for the week and putting what money I don't give to my dad from my wages into my account for uni... i don't particualrly differentiate between the two. Unfortunately unlike a lot of kids my mother didnt think to put aside any money just in case i went to uni and so far £900 + 5% interest isn't really that much when considering the price of uni. I will not be able to get any parental assistance due to te nature of my circumstances and therefore £945 really doesn't seem that much when ur thinking at least £60 a week accommodation... and in relation to getting tuition loans etc.. you forget that these have to be paid back anyway so its not like i'm just being given money for nothing.

As for putting it in high interest accounts some unis actually advise that you put your maintenance loan into a high interest account and use that later!

I'm simply trying to find the best way to keeep myself with as low a debt as possible so that f i have kids they won't have to live in the circumstances that I did.
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