(Original post by walshie)
Ok, time to respond to this theory of yours. I am still absolutely 120% sure that a 306 could absolutely eat a Focus around a track, wet or not (both cars having the same tyres obviously). To be honest, I did here once that the Focus was a good handling car, but never in the same league as a 6 or an Xsi, or even a Meridian!!
Regarding you owning both, I can only assume you didn't have a clue how to drive the Pug, as when pushed round a corner on the limit, it can become very daunting and feeling unstable when in fact, its just glued.
I thought this was dead and buried, lol. I used to be a member on 306gti6.com and the people on their are a great bunch.
With regards to my driving ability its suffice to say that I am not a racing driver and neither is my friend, but we are both very competent drivers.
As for your track theory of the focus being eaten, we actually both tracked our cars at Snetterton last year. We also went down with a guy who had a Clio 172 and Mazda Mx-5 1.8, the 172 was fastest with the MX-5 second fastest.
There was nothing in the lap times between the focus and 306 XSI (practically the same power & same weight). I think my mate in the 306 XSI posted the better lap by about 2 tenths of a second and we were both only very slightly off the MX-5's pace. One thing i would say though is that the brakes lasted well on the 306 around a track, we both upgraded our brakes. I have blackdiamond disks with Mintex 1144 pads, he had different disks, but the same pads. I had Goodyear Eagle F1's and he had some sort of Yoko tyres, so we both had good tyres.
I am staring at a copy of evo magazine now that has a full 7 pages dedicated to the Ford Focus and its untimely demise. Stating that it pushed hatchbacks into new territory in terms of handling and driver involvement. It is still renowned as the most enjoyable hatchback to drive with planted handling and great driver feedback. When Topgear reviewed the new Focus, Jeremy Clarkson last testament was to buy an old focus before they ruined it with the new one. As the original was visionary, and the new one ordinary.
With regards to the post on the gti6 forum, I wasn't comparing the focus range to a gti-6! I havent driven a GTI-6, so cant directly compare. I have driven an ST170 though, and wasnt that impressed to be honest. My car has an eibach sportline spring kit, and could have sworn that it probably handled better than the 170. I think Ford skipped the r & d on the 170, and concentrated on using the RS as the brand maker, top of the range hatch. If we are comparing top of the range cars then we would have to compare 6's and Rallyes with the RS, and we know which one of those would win hands down. Also my real argument was that on the 'limit' the manageability of the focus excels that of the 306 for anyone that isnt a racing driver. I also feel that a standard 'family' focus would be a better handling car than a standard 'family' 306.
Suffice to say that whatever the outcome of 306 vs. Focus would be, i'm pretty sure what the outcome of 306 vs. 200SX would be
(sorry for the thread hi-jacking, but I always enjoy a good 'discussion'. I have added some pics so that it has some relevance to the topic at hand)