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I think the reason we don't get so much flack is simply because we don't pay for it, we don't think you can pay your pay to a better education and the only discrimination is by intellect, which is how oxbridge discriminates too.
There are no state grammar schools at home that accept pupils from where I live. And I don't believe that!
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There are no state grammar schools at home that accept pupils from where I live. And I don't believe that!
To be entirely honest I have an equal amount of unprovoked resentment for grammar school pupils as for public school pupils as the divide is largely immaterial.

Until we reach a stage in our society where it can be garunteed that those with the intellectual calibre to benefit from it go to the 'good schools' then having public schools and grammar schools does nothing other than discriminate against the equally gifted children who went to neither. I would say that the education system has gone downhill since the abolition of the eleven-plus but as many students blossom intellectually after the age of eleven I can't see an ideal solution short of annual testing to demote and premote pupils between grammar and comprehensive schools and that would create far too much of a work load for the poor teachers who will be forced to mark the tests.

That said... paying for your education does seem kind of mercenary. Why not go to a state school and pay more taxes?
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To be entirely honest I have an equal amount of unprovoked resentment for grammar school pupils as for public school pupils as the divide is largely immaterial.
Oh, cheers :rolleyes:

(Original post by Faboba)
Until we reach a stage in our society where it can be garunteed that those with the intellectual calibre to benefit from it go to the 'good schools'
******** to that, I'd prefer a society where there were only comprehensives, but they were actually good and catered for student's individual needs. Every school should be a 'good school', the prescribed opportunity should be equal. However, given the immaturity of children and the lack of public money that does seem slightly unrealistic. Teachers don't really help, as there seem so many who are totally inept or that can't relate to the children.

(Original post by Faboba)
short of annual testing to demote and premote pupils between grammar and comprehensive schools and that would create far too much of a work load for the poor teachers who will be forced to mark the tests.
I was tested annually anyhow, wouldn't be any extra hassle for my school.

(Original post by Faboba)
That said... paying for your education does seem kind of mercenary. Why not go to a state school and pay more taxes?
Were I to be playing Devil's advocate I'd suggest that it's because by paying higher taxes we'd also be paying for the plebs etcetera. Of course, I don't actually agree with that argument, however, it's quite clear we're living in a society that's much to selfish.

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however, it's quite clear we're living in a society that's much to selfish.
So Vote Labour
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There are no state grammar schools at home that accept pupils from where I live.
I know, it's largely a thing peculiar to Kent. I think other parts have some as well, but not on the scale of Kent.

(Original post by Helenia)
And I don't believe that!
I assume you were talking about we don't think you can pay your way to a better education. To an extent I stand by that, obviously if you have the money Kings' school in Canterbury will probably throw resources at you, but the other private schools are in a completely different league.
There are two private schools in Canterbury that are the low end ones (couple of k a term or something), and typically they don't have the same kind of exam performance as the three local grammars do. There seems very little point in going to them when you seem to get just as good an education at the free grammars. Then again, maybe because they aren't as selective they improve people's performance more.
I don't know, I wouldn't pay for a private education where there are state grammars though, 'tis pointless.

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So Vote Labour

Labour? Whats that?
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So Vote Labour
Labour has moved too far to the authoriarian right for me to be comfortable voting for them. So I won't be.
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I assume you were talking about we don't think you can pay your way to a better education. To an extent I stand by that, obviously if you have the money Kings' school in Canterbury will probably throw resources at you, but the other private schools are in a completely different league.
There are two private schools in Canterbury that are the low end ones (couple of k a term or something), and typically they don't have the same kind of exam performance as the three local grammars do. There seems very little point in going to them when you seem to get just as good an education at the free grammars. Then again, maybe because they aren't as selective they improve people's performance more.
Yeah, I guess I do see the point on that one. And I suppose I was lying a bit - I wouldn't have gone to my school if my parents hadn't thought I'd have got a better education there. But I don't think they did it for the social status (our lack of money made it fairly obvious to everyone in the school that I had no status) or to get me into Cambridge, which wasn't even a thought back then. I guess if there were a decent grammar school around I would have gone to that, but there isn't. At least, not one within driving distance that accepts pupils from my postcode area :rolleyes:

I wonder what would have happened if I had gone to the local comprehensive with all my friends. I don't know what sort of a person I'd have come out of it as, and especially I don't know if I'd have got here. It's a scary thought.
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couldn't agree with you more!
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I guess if there were a decent grammar school around I would have gone to that, but there isn't. At least, not one within driving distance that accepts pupils from my postcode area :rolleyes:

I wonder what would have happened if I had gone to the local comprehensive with all my friends. I don't know what sort of a person I'd have come out of it as, and especially I don't know if I'd have got here. It's a scary thought.
I regularly think about what would happen if I went to a comprehensive school. Simply loving reading at an early age meant I was bullied a lot in primary school but once I got into my selective grammar, that all stopped because well, everyone also liked reading.

Am also very strongly against going to an independent when there's a perfectly reasonable grammar near you. There is no point and a better sports hall is not worth that extra 7K or so you'll have to pay out.

About the grammar school postcode area, my school accepts everyone in the entire county (Berkshire). However, I have known many people in Oxfordshire or even Middlesex/Greater London to get in. That's like over an hour on the train...

Obviously, they didn't want to go to the independent either Saying that because there's a very good independent about 300m from my school and our league table position is normally within 10 - 20 places of them (both top 50). The most annoying thing is them steal the boys from the local boys' grammar...grr.
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Am also very strongly against going to an independent when there's a perfectly reasonable grammar near you. There is no point and a better sports hall is not worth that extra 7K or so you'll have to pay out.
A lot of people don't have a "reasonable grammar" near them. This is especially true of London.
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A lot of people don't have a "reasonable grammar" near them. This is especially true of London.
Hahahaha! Tek, you don't know you're born in London! There are two grammar schools near me, both girls-only, and both don't accept people from where I live. There is also Thomas Telford, the best "comprehensive" in the country, which doesn't take pupils from my town. The amount of choice available in London is huge compared with other places.
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Hahahaha! Tek, you don't know you're born in London! There are two grammar schools near me, both girls-only, and both don't accept people from where I live. There is also Thomas Telford, the best "comprehensive" in the country, which doesn't take pupils from my town. The amount of choice available in London is huge compared with other places.
I'm lucky...i live in Surrey..and i was able to choose between 3 different grammar schools....all of incredibly high standard...and there are also loads of comprehensives around where i live too!

I didn't realise it was so bad in other places...

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The amount of choice available in London is huge compared with other places.
Inner / South London is rubbish...
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Nobody here would turn into a blithering idiot if they went to a comprehensive, nobody is that weak.
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To be entirely honest I have an equal amount of unprovoked resentment for grammar school pupils as for public school pupils as the divide is largely immaterial.

Until we reach a stage in our society where it can be garunteed that those with the intellectual calibre to benefit from it go to the 'good schools' then having public schools and grammar schools does nothing other than discriminate against the equally gifted children who went to neither. I would say that the education system has gone downhill since the abolition of the eleven-plus but as many students blossom intellectually after the age of eleven I can't see an ideal solution short of annual testing to demote and premote pupils between grammar and comprehensive schools and that would create far too much of a work load for the poor teachers who will be forced to mark the tests.

That said... paying for your education does seem kind of mercenary. Why not go to a state school and pay more taxes?
I would agree witht he general jist of this. Although i think the 11 plus is very faulty. I didnt even take it, i could never do verbal reasoning. A boy i babysit for has just failed it, and everyone thinks hes a little genious. He just got nervous on the day, he got high 130's in all the practices, which is well above pass mark. But whats the solution? In Germany they etst pupils every year, and they get promoted and demoted through schools. Theres about 4 different types of school, It sgood casue those who deserve their places get them, even if they are late developers academically.
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I go to a grammar school in Chelmsford and we usually get around 20 to Oxbridge. I used to think it was because the people who enter via the 11 plus were clever but thats just not the case; we have people who are distinctly average, even nationally (some of the people who got in are predicted only 5 passes in GCSE!). But then when I look at people from my old school who went to a comprehensive who were good enough to get into my school at the 11+ age, the best they're going to get is half A's and half B's, its crazy!
To be perfectly honest, even though its unfavourable to my chances for Oxbridge, I see no difference in the supposed 'coaching' private schools give you and what my own school and most grammar schools also do yet they are discriminated against and we (the grammar school pupils) are not. Seems stupid to me. It's all to do with image I think.
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I go to a grammar school in Chelmsford and we usually get around 20 to Oxbridge. I used to think it was because the people who enter via the 11 plus were clever but thats just not the case; we have people who are distinctly average, even nationally (some of the people who got in are predicted only 5 passes in GCSE!). But then when I look at people from my old school who went to a comprehensive who were good enough to get into my school at the 11+ age, the best they're going to get is half A's and half B's, its crazy!
To be perfectly honest, even though its unfavourable to my chances for Oxbridge, I see no difference in the supposed 'coaching' private schools give you and what my own school and most grammar schools also do yet they are discriminated against and we (the grammar school pupils) are not. Seems stupid to me. It's all to do with image I think.
this situation is unlikely to change as long as the labour party has control.
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Labour has moved too far to the authoriarian right for me to be comfortable voting for them. So I won't be.
Labour are not nothing but a bunch of socialist wingers. They waste money on useless welfare programs, and taxed 65% of Charlotte's money away.

After all Charlotte's hard work, she only has £5.5 million. What is the incentive to be successful if most of your earnings are going to be taxed away form you.
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After all Charlotte's hard work, she only has £5.5 million. What is the incentive to be successful if most of your earnings are going to be taxed away form you.
5.5 mil... diddums.
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