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    (Original post by Rusty33)
    Tool. It's not a lack of terminology. It's a difference in opinion. You share a more socialistic view of economy. What you don't get, is that I was implying that I don't CARE that feel there is a disproportionate spread in wealth. You don’t know what it is like to live and work here. You don’t know what advantages we have or don’t have to the fullest. I am telling you that What you also didn’t get was that in this country, for the most part it is a disproportionate spread in wealth, but rather in work ethic. If you work hard here, good things will happen to you.
    That's the exact attitude which that Observer article talks about:

    Dealing with poverty is not a viable political issue in America. It jars with a cultural sense that the poor bring things upon themselves and that every American is born with the same chances in life.

    Save The Children works here. Though the charity is usually associated with earthquakes in Pakistan or famine in Africa, it runs an extensive programme in east Kentucky. <-- okay irrelevant to my point but interesting

    In America, to be poor is a stigma. In a country which celebrates individuality and the goal of giving everyone an equal opportunity to make it big, those in poverty are often blamed for their own situation. Experience on the ground does little to bear that out. When people are working two jobs at a time and still failing to earn enough to feed their families, it seems impossible to call them lazy or selfish. There seems to be a failure in the system, not the poor themselves.

    It is an impression backed up by many of those mired in poverty in Oklahoma and Kentucky. Few asked for handouts. Many asked for decent wages. 'It is unfair. I am working all the time and so what have I done wrong?' says Freda Lee. But the economy does not seem to be allowing people to make a decent living. It condemns the poor to stay put, fighting against seemingly impossible odds or to pull up sticks and try somewhere else.


    As for knowing about other parts of the world.. surely simply reading a good newspaper everyday (or every now and then if you're so busy) or clicking on Google News and skimming headlines or something will do? But if you're just not interested in global current affairs etc then fair enough..
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    (Original post by Johnny)
    What do you do in school if you don't learn about the world. Geography and History anyone?
    You take courses specifically designated to teach in these areas. But, over time there are certain things you retain, and certain things you don't. You generally retain the things you can use later in life better. How many jobs require a great deal of knowledge in history? Not many. Europeans may know a lot about other nations because European nations are much smaller, and commerce is very intertwined there. That being said, the US is a large nation, and the majority of the population doesn't deal with the outside world on a personal level, mainly because we don't need to.

    I’m not defending the fact that American citizens are ignorant to the outside world. I think they should be more educated. But, they don’t HAVE to because if they aren’t their lives aren’t altered that much. I’m only telling you why, not saying that it’s right.
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    (Original post by Syntax)
    When people are working two jobs at a time and still failing to earn enough to feed their families, it seems impossible to call them lazy or selfish. There seems to be a failure in the system, not the poor themselves.
    This is wrong. And, I'll explain why when I get back from work. (Seriously, I don't have time, I have to get ready for work.)
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    (Original post by Rusty33)
    This is wrong. And, I'll explain why when I get back from work. (Seriously, I don't have time, I have to get ready for work.)
    Intriguing. I'll take your word for it, for now..
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    (Original post by Rusty33)
    You take courses specifically designated to teach in these areas. But, over time there are certain things you retain, and certain things you don't. You generally retain the things you can use later in life better. How many jobs require a great deal of knowledge in history? Not many. Europeans may know a lot about other nations because European nations are much smaller, and commerce is very intertwined there. That being said, the US is a large nation, and the majority of the population doesn't deal with the outside world on a personal level, mainly because we don't need to.

    I’m not defending the fact that American citizens are ignorant to the outside world. I think they should be more educated. But, they don’t HAVE to because if they aren’t their lives aren’t altered that much. I’m only telling you why, not saying that it’s right.
    To be honest that was a cheap jibe on my part simply because I was getting frustrated about how you don't believe in social mobility, which is such a key role of government on the continent if not so much in Britain anymore. But you were far more mature about it than I would have been, so kudos there! I also like syntax will catch up later
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    (Original post by Syntax)
    Eh you can't really generalise about America - it's obviously an advanced country yet 60% believe in intelligent design/creationism, they have the highest percentage of impoverished people in the developed world, yet it's a hugely rich country where many can work their way up.. and so on.

    As for what the thread was originally about (..before being derailed by the anti-America bandwagon
    60% seems a bit high when the majority of Americans don't even attend church regularly. I'd love to see those statistics put into proper context.
    Seventy percent of people living in Europe believe in God, so are things really that different?

    (Original post by Syntax)
    ..I'm glad to see that, despite being boring, we are loved!
    Probably the only thing you've said that's accurate in your post. Americans do like Brits, but I think that would change if we all really knew how Britons felt about us.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    60% seems a bit high when the majority of Americans don't even attend church regularly. I'd love to see those statistics put into proper context.
    Seventy percent of people living in Europe believe in God, so are things really that different?



    Probably the only thing you've said that's accurate in your post. Americans do like Brits, but I think that would change if we all really knew how Britons felt about us.
    Hmm. So, in this post, the parts in bold aren't accurate either?

    (Original post by Syntax)
    Eh you can't really generalise about America - it's obviously an advanced country yet 60% believe in intelligent design/creationism, they have the highest percentage of impoverished people in the developed world, yet it's a hugely rich country where many can work their way up.. and so on.

    As for what the thread was originally about (..before being derailed by the anti-America bandwagon ..I'm glad to see that, despite being boring, we are loved!
    :p:

    And I don't think you can deny that the Christian right have far greater power in America than they do in Europe. Certainly in Britain, we don't have a strong (or indeed, any) movement of *cough* religious nuts demanding that intelligent design be taught in schools, for example.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    Fair enough. That stat doesn't mean much, but the point is that poverty is a relative term. Poverty in Zimbabwe is not the same as poverty in the USA.



    I thought you enjoyed living here from some of your other posts. Are your frustrations with your healthcare plan enough to consider permanently moving to another country?
    I have enjoyed living here. But I want to get back to reality; away from big haired blondes with massive white teeth driving their obnoxious and dysfunctional offspring to school in Hummers.

    I'm not sure the minor improvements (if any) I enjoy in quality of life in the US are worth the price I pay; being away from my country, friends, countrymen, family etc.
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    (Original post by Syntax)
    And I don't think you can deny that the Christian right have far greater power in America than they do in Europe. Certainly in Britain, we don't have a strong (or indeed, any) movement of *cough* religious nuts demanding that intelligent design be taught in schools, for example.
    The so-called evangelical movement is blown completely out of proportion by the BBC. Intelligent design will NEVER NEVER be taught in American public schools. Intelligent design will NEVER be taught as science in any non-evangelical college or university.

    It seems like BBC's only purpose is to perpetuate national stereotypes as the basis of serious and on-going reporting. I'm always reading stories on the obesity “crisis” in America or some story on evangelicals.

    Sometimes I wish the American media would run a story everyday for years on end on your fungus-teeth just to give you a taste of your own medicine and reinforce negative British stereotypes
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    The so-called evangelical movement is blown completely out of proportion by the BBC. Intelligent design will NEVER NEVER be taught in American public schools. Intelligent design will NEVER be taught as science in any non-evangelical college or university.

    It seems like BBC's only purpose is to perpetuate national stereotypes as the basis of serious and on-going reporting. I'm always reading stories on the obesity “crisis” in America or some story on evangelicals.

    Sometimes I wish the American media would run a story everyday for years on end on your fungus-teeth just to give you a taste of your own medicine and reinforce negative British stereotypes
    Hey! Nothing wrong with green teeth pal!
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    (Original post by j4mes_bond25)
    Bearing in mind the following news article from Yahoo News

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21022006/34...ring-poll.html

    where:

    >> Britons are widely seen as Polite & Educated, but sadly Boring &
    >> French as being the Rudest, while
    >> American are seen as Most Ignorant (isn't it a common knowledge ???) & Ambitious

    However, I wonder as WHAT EXACTLY is it that's seen as a sign of "Politeness" & "Boredom" within an individual Briton, in the eyes of Johny Foreigner ???
    Politeness: (Or lack thereof) "Americans are seen as most ignorant (isn't it a common knowledge)"

    Boring: This is about the 8000th thread to call American ignorant/fat/stupid/lazy/full of ourselves/rude :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Howard)
    I have enjoyed living here. But I want to get back to reality; away from big haired blondes with massive white teeth driving their obnoxious and dysfunctional offspring to school in Hummers.

    I'm not sure the minor improvements (if any) I enjoy in quality of life in the US are worth the price I pay; being away from my country, friends, countrymen, family etc.
    You may be surprised to find yourself missing some things. I just spent a month in south beach, Florida where I got frustrated over a bunch of little things that annoyed the hell out of me. Service was terrible, the roads and highways were dangerous, I couldn't find decent pizza, chinese food, or sushi. I'm back to the tri-state area and now I'm miserable because I can't stare at gorgeous latinas in skimpy clothes :love: and enjoy the sunny weather.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    That has to be just about the worst analogy I've ever heard in my life.
    Apples and oranges. England isn't the same size as the United States. England is the size of Alabama. How many cities can you name in Alabama?
    I said Europeans...
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)

    A lot of stereotypes are pretty inaccurate.

    I rather trust the POLL than your words. Thank you very much

    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    For example, visit NYC's Park Avenue and you'll still find the upper East Side moneyed crowd. I find them to be patronizing, ultra liberal elites who love to tell the masses how they should be living their lives. As much as I dislike them, I must concede that most of them know far more about geopolitics than the vast majority of people you'll ever meet anywhere in the world.
    It's like saying a DOCTOR knowing more about human body than anyone you pick random from Joe Public :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    Until you can correctly label at least 50% of US states on a blank map, without aid, I don't want to hear you complain about Americans and geography.
    At least, any Briton can quite comfortably point out many European countries on the map along with ALSO being aware of Alaska & Hawaii being a part of USA, while as far as an "average" American is concerned, they STILL struggle with the difference between England/Britain/UK

    Additionally, majority around are aware of the NAMES of American States, while as far as "average" American is concerned, they are yet to enlighten themselves that England + Wales + Scotland + Northern Ireland = United Kindgom :rolleyes:

    Guess, Americans need applying for their PASSPORT & cross the Atlantic (or at least the borders of their own country) & widen their horizon since Earth does NOT revolve around America
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    That has to be just about the worst analogy I've ever heard in my life.
    Apples and oranges. England isn't the same size as the United States. England is the size of Alabama. How many cities can you name in Alabama?
    Someone needs to know that, we are NOT comparing the SIZE here, we are simply comparing TWO DIFFERENT NATIONS :rolleyes:

    Smaller size of our nation doesn't by any mean demean our influence & importance, if I may say so & our SIZE shouldn't be used as an EXCUSE by someone like YOURSELF, to be ignorant about our great nation. :rolleyes:

    I mean, we may be a small nation, but we are a great one too & for God sake, we're NOT God, we're British (which is the next best thing), damn it :cool:
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    (Original post by Rusty33)
    Tell me the United States isn't the single most influetial country in the World. Tell me it doesn't have more than double the GDP of the next closest competitor. The US runs ****. Flat out. And, denying that would be quite a moronic move on your part.
    (And, do you honestly have to follow every sentence with a smiley face? )
    Tell me United States has MORE gun crimes than around this part of the world. Tell me it has MORE gay priest in church than any other nation of the world. Tell me it has MORE torturing & ****-ups record than any other nation on the planet :rolleyes: & denying that would be a rather idiotic.

    And, haven't you seen the poll saying "Britons being POLITE" & our smiley face is just a small part of this politeness
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    Politeness: (Or lack thereof) "Americans are seen as most ignorant (isn't it a common knowledge)"

    Boring: This is about the 8000th thread to call American ignorant/fat/stupid/lazy/full of ourselves/rude :rolleyes:
    I'm glad that SOMEONE has actually dared sticking with the original topic
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    (Original post by j4mes_bond25)
    Tell me United States has MORE gun crimes than around this part of the world. Tell me it has MORE gay priest in church than any other nation of the world. Tell me it has MORE torturing & ****-ups record than any other nation on the planet :rolleyes: & denying that would be a rather idiotic.

    And, haven't you seen the poll saying "Britons being POLITE" & our smiley face is just a small part of this politeness
    It probably does have more gay ministers than any other country in the world. There are a lot of very liberal churches in the US.
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    (Original post by j4mes_bond25)
    Tell me United States has MORE gun crimes than around this part of the world. Tell me it has MORE gay priest in church than any other nation of the world. Tell me it has MORE torturing & ****-ups record than any other nation on the planet :rolleyes: & denying that would be a rather idiotic.

    And, haven't you seen the poll saying "Britons being POLITE" & our smiley face is just a small part of this politeness
    Haha i *highly* doubt that.
 
 
 
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