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Eric Pickles signals end to multiculturalism

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Original post by Chloe xxx
Source? They usually bury their heads in the sand like with the increasing sexual attacks on white girls.


Exactly
I totally agree that migrants should be made to speak the english language. Frankly, i find it slightly absurd that people on one side of a city would have to break through a language barrier when talking to people on the other side...

as for everything else, i'm not too certain. smacks a bit of the ideal nuclear family and home-cooked apple pie...
Reply 182
Original post by amime
Erm... Nobody is told not to wear crosses up or put England flags up.

Plus I would also say that most migrants also do speak/try to speak English and understand British culture.



Not all British people are white.


I would say different, i don't know about you but i lived in a multicultural area(s) of london since i was born, i now live at a university.
At both places both a good majority of international students and migrants do not bother to integrate. Example my flat i have 4/7 international students, basically all of them don't bother to socialise with any of us non internationals, except for saying hello and a couple of general words around, same thing around the university, especially asians (orientals) they are rude and do not even try to integrate one bit (mostly).
But hi 5 to the ones who do which are a good number, but most are :/
Reply 183
Original post by Steevee
Whilst I welcome some of the sentiment, I don;t like this emphasis on us as a Christian country. We don't need Christianity, just mention our heritage and history, not the religion that is almost meaningless to most in todays society.


True but i'd still disagree, whether or not Christianity is a direct part and/or influence on our society is somewhat irrelevant considering Christian ethics have shaped our society into what it is today, perhaps thats just British culture but even so Christianity is tied into this country even in the present day.
Original post by DdotT
I would say different, i don't know about you but i lived in a multicultural area(s) of london since i was born, i now live at a university. At both places both a good majority of international students and migrants do not bother to integrate. Example my flat i have 4/7 international students, basically all of them don't bother to socialise with any of us non internationals, except for saying hello and a couple of general words around, same thing around the university, especially asians (orientals) they are rude and do not even try to integrate one bit (mostly). But hi 5 to the ones who do which are a good number, but most are :/
Integrate into what? Are you suggesting you share interests with every other 'white' British person, insofar as you can become friends with them? Why would they want to become friends with people who have nothing in common? As another example, why would somebody who doesn't drink or go clubbing become friends with someone whose life revolves around those things? A cursory hello is good enough for most people; why is it that their origins somehow make their lack of socialisation more significant?
Original post by DdotT
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How about a 'white' British 50-year old mature student? Do you expect him to hold extensive conversations with you, despite having a friendship group with which he has a greater socio-cultural affinity? Should he be criticised for not clubbing every weekend and getting 'smashed'? Difference in culture is not a dichotomy of British vs. non-British.
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Original post by DdotT
I would say different, i don't know about you but i lived in a multicultural area(s) of london since i was born, i now live at a university.
At both places both a good majority of international students and migrants do not bother to integrate. Example my flat i have 4/7 international students, basically all of them don't bother to socialise with any of us non internationals, except for saying hello and a couple of general words around, same thing around the university, especially asians (orientals) they are rude and do not even try to integrate one bit (mostly).
But hi 5 to the ones who do which are a good number, but most are :/


They are probably the ones who study hard and then get the top jobs instead of wasting their lives away at the local nightclub. Oriental kids have an amazing work ethic the UK could learn from.
Original post by Chloe xxx
Hmmm...baa baa black sheep is considered insulting, referring to something as 'black' is often seen as racist by radical left wingers, stories are always surfacing about muslims/other minorities claiming the england flag offends them and other ridiculous things like crosses shouldnt be allowed in public.

What about if a bunch of brits went to Saudi Arabia and started campaigning for the introduction of pork and trying to ban islam in public??


Where are all of these events you claim taking place? I certainly haven't heard it around at all lol. And I'm an Arab XD. I mean, when I'm with my friends and all we never discuss any of these topics or anything like them.
Reply 188
Original post by ish90an
They are probably the ones who study hard and then get the top jobs instead of wasting their lives away at the local nightclub. Oriental kids have an amazing work ethic the UK could learn from.


Everyone has the same fate in the end...as long as people are happy 'top jobs' arnt the be all and end all...some people dont wish to waste years of their life studying.

I do agree with you though, the UK are lazy compared to many foreigners. Probably because we get everything on a plate whether as they have to work hard for it.
(edited 12 years ago)
Reply 189
Original post by ish90an
They are probably the ones who study hard and then get the top jobs instead of wasting their lives away at the local nightclub. Oriental kids have an amazing work ethic the UK could learn from.


Firstly your kinda stereotyping, secondly not really, they just stick together with their other asians, never bother to speak english or to people who speak english (except when they need to).
International students particularly asians only will talk to a british person when they need to, and even then they are so 'polite' that in itself its kinda rude. You could say thats their culture, being polite but that =/= friendly.
Original post by DdotT
Firstly your kinda stereotyping, secondly not really, they just stick together with their other asians, never bother to speak english or to people who speak english (except when they need to).
So do mature students. Why do you think this is, DdotT? Is it possibly because they have more in common with people in the same socio-cultural circle than people outside of that circle?

International students particularly asians only will talk to a british person when they need to
Do you force yourself to speak to people when you have nothing to say to them? :rolleyes:

and even then they are so 'polite' that in itself its kinda rude. You could say thats their culture, being polite but that =/= friendly.
'Non-white' British people can't do anything right with you, can they?
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Original post by whyumadtho
How about a 'white' British 50-year old mature student? Do you expect him to hold extensive conversations with you, despite having a friendship group with which he has a greater socio-cultural affinity? Should he be criticised for not clubbing every weekend and getting 'smashed'? Difference in culture is not a dichotomy of British vs. non-British.


Firstly i do not go clubbing and get smashed every week myself.
Secondly, we have a 40 year old Japanese student, he actively tries to integrate, he is a friendly guy and struggle alot with English to the point you can't understand him, whereas alot of asians particularly those from places like Hong Kong who can speak english well do not.
And as for hanging out with a group from the same/similar culture, the girl in my flat who is from Hong Kong, She never bothers to even try to hang out with anyone, she locks herself in her room and when she does come out she hangs out with a group of asians, my point with alot of internationals, they either integrate a good amount,or they don't at all.
There's nothing to stop an international in my course from talking to a British person, while waiting for lectures or in lectures etc etc. But they tend not to bother even when you attempt to be friendly in the first place.
Reply 192
Original post by whyumadtho
Integrate into what? Are you suggesting you share interests with every other 'white' British person, insofar as you can become friends with them? Why would they want to become friends with people who have nothing in common? As another example, why would somebody who doesn't drink or go clubbing become friends with someone whose life revolves around those things? A cursory hello is good enough for most people; why is it that their origins somehow make their lack of socialisation more significant?


As i said before with the girl in my flat, considering she's in my flat isn't that enough reason for her to socialise atleast a little and get to know the people she is living with?
Im not saying some random International student should come up to me and start talking to me and making friends, i am simply saying internationals tend not to (but should) make an effort to interact with people in their couse/flat etc.
Reply 193
Original post by whyumadtho

'Non-white' British people can't do anything right with you, can they?


Wrong, because i've made friends with some awesome non British students.
Original post by DdotT
Firstly i do not go clubbing and get smashed every week myself.
I'm not suggesting you do; I used it as an example. To what extent can you converse with people whose interests differ wildly from yours? Do you have conversations about things that do not interest you? Do you make an active effort to speak to everyone you see just to 'integrate' with their culture/interests?

Secondly, we have a 40 year old Japanese student, he actively tries to integrate, he is a friendly guy and struggle alot with English to the point you can't understand him, whereas alot of asians particularly those from places like Hong Kong who can speak english well do not.
What does he do that you deem as being an active attempt to integrate?

And as for hanging out with a group from the same/similar culture, the girl in my flat who is from Hong Kong, She never bothers to even try to hang out with anyone, she locks herself in her room and when she does come out she hangs out with a group of asians, my point with alot of internationals, they either integrate a good amount,or they don't at all.
So you want to be her friend but she isn't letting you, or do you simply not have anything in common?

There's nothing to stop an international in my course from talking to a British person, while waiting for lectures or in lectures etc etc. But they tend not to bother even when you attempt to be friendly in the first place.
What? You're acting as if there's one giant conversation amongst all British people and another with international students. Everyone has their friendship group and rarely deviates from it, and outsiders infrequently attempt to infiltrate established groups.
Original post by DdotT
As i said before with the girl in my flat, considering she's in my flat isn't that enough reason for her to socialise atleast a little and get to know the people she is living with? Im not saying some random International student should come up to me and start talking to me and making friends, i am simply saying internationals tend not to (but should) make an effort to interact with people in their couse/flat etc.
No. Why maintain a feeble pretence of interest (i.e., small talk) in other people just because they live nearby? In what way would wasting time getting to know people who, from observation alone, can be determined as being socio-culturally incongruous benefit her? She has no pressing reason to talk to you, so she doesn't. Similarly, you probably don't talk to every person in your lecture because you have no reason to.
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Original post by whyumadtho
I'm not suggesting you do; I used it as an example. To what extent can you converse with people whose interests differ wildly from yours? Do you have conversations about things that do not interest you? Do you make an active effort to speak to everyone you see just to 'integrate' with their culture/interests?

What does he do that you deem as being an active attempt to integrate?

So you want to be her friend but she isn't letting you, or do you simply not have anything in common?

What? You're acting as if there's one giant conversation amongst all British people and another with international students. Everyone has their friendship group and rarely deviates from it, and outsiders infrequently attempt to infiltrate established groups.


You seem to be trying to 'twist' things.
Even if you don't have much or anything in common with someone theres a point where you realise this AFTER talking to them. How do most internationals know if this is the case without trying.
Not particuarly, i would just like to get to know people who i am going to be living with :rolleyes:. in over 6 months i havent had a chance to speak to her about her interests because she never comes out to talk.

i didnt really understand your last point.... Im just saying internationals tend be anti social to those who they live with, study with,work with and whose country they are in (considering British people surround them you'd imagine they'd realise they need to integrate to some extent.) And you dont even have to deviate from your cultural group to integrate, talking a bit to a non international about general things such as 'hows the course going' is not had.
Original post by DdotT
Wrong, because i've made friends with some awesome non British students.
Despite knowing they are trying to be friendly by being polite, you interpret it as rude? Again, socio-cultural incongruity precludes the establishment of an amicable relationship. Similarly, somebody who is formal and takes things seriously will frequently misinterpret somebody who enjoys banter and sarcastic humour, which precludes the establishment of an amicable relationship.
Reply 198
Original post by whyumadtho
No. Why maintain a feeble pretence of interest (i.e., small talk) in other people just because they live nearby? In what way would wasting time getting to know people who, from observation alone, can be determined as being socio-culturally incongruous benefit her? She has no pressing reason to talk to you, so she doesn't. Similarly, you probably don't talk to every person in your lecture because you have no reason to.


So living with someone for a year isn't enough reason to talk to them, rather absurd imo. And i talk to alot of people in my lectures as i see know reason not to be friendly with others whether you have common interests or not, you do not need common interests to be friendly, also it doesn't even take much so time wise your not exactly wasting your time.
Reply 199
Original post by whyumadtho
Despite knowing they are trying to be friendly by being polite, you interpret it as rude? Again, socio-cultural incongruity precludes the establishment of an amicable relationship. Similarly, somebody who is formal and takes things seriously will frequently misinterpret somebody who enjoys banter and sarcastic humour, which precludes the establishment of an amicable relationship.


Friendly=/= polite as i said earlier, its common manners to say excuse me.
I Disagree aswell, its not that black and white.

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