Eric Pickles signals end to multiculturalism

True but i'd still disagree, whether or not Christianity is a direct part and/or influence on our society is somewhat irrelevant considering Christian ethics have shaped our society into what it is today, perhaps thats just British culture but even so Christianity is tied into this country even in the present day.

You seem to be trying to 'twist' things.
Even if you don't have much or anything in common with someone theres a point where you realise this AFTER talking to them. How do most internationals know if this is the case without trying.

Not particuarly, i would just like to get to know people who i am going to be living with . in over 6 months i havent had a chance to speak to her about her interests because she never comes out to talk.

i didnt really understand your last point.... Im just saying internationals tend be anti social to those who they live with, study with,work with and whose country they are in (considering British people surround them you'd imagine they'd realise they need to integrate to some extent.) And you dont even have to deviate from your cultural group to integrate, talking a bit to a non international about general things such as 'hows the course going' is not had.

So living with someone for a year isn't enough reason to talk to them, rather absurd imo.

And i talk to alot of people in my lectures as i see know reason not to be friendly with others whether you have common interests or not, you do not need common interests to be friendly, also it doesn't even take much so time wise your not exactly wasting your time.

Friendly=/= polite as i said earlier, its common manners to say excuse me.
I Disagree aswell, its not that black and white.

Observation is enough.

There is a mutuality of these things. She doesn't come out to talk and you don't go to her to talk. I find it hard to believe that an opportunity has never arisen in six months where you could start a conversation (which is your duty, seeing as you are interested in her).

I see this as just disliking small talk, which is something that resonates with me. Perhaps they don't care how your course is going—why should they? It's general and completely pointless; the conversation will be forgotten shortly afterwards, and there is no solidification of friendship. The only reason you are talking in this case is because you're living together, not because you have an active concern about each other's lives. You don't contact her in the holidays to ask general questions because you don't actually care about her or what she's doing. In what way is this brazen pretence of concern friendly or good-willed, in this case, and why should she be obliged to participate in it?

If talking is comprised of small talk, then no.

Do you talk to all of them?

It is a waste of time. Why should she be expected to dedicate any time or effort to a pointless, banal conversation? Why are you offended by someone not wanting to know how your day was?

A lack of manners is no more present in international students than domestic ones.

Elaborate on why you disagree.

I disagree. I think they are fundamentally, generally agreed upon rules for society, which Christianity has claimed as their own. As such, we owe nothing to 'Christian' values as for the most part they intrinsically come out in society anyway.

You don't live in my accomodation so you wouldn't know, in the 3 weeks ive been back this semester i've seen her twice. Once coming into the kitchen, another time in the hallway coming back from tesco (not even acknowledging im there).

Bold: I can't contact her in the holidays because we aren't friends because i never see and her rarely get a chance to talk.

You clearly just don't really grasp the situation. To you it's in black and white, that no one SHOULD go around and get to know someone who they are living with for a year if you don't have mutual interests. I can't really grasp how your brain functions because most of your points are alot inapplicable and just don't have a firm grasp of life.

I would say different, i don't know about you but i lived in a multicultural area(s) of london since i was born, i now live at a university.
At both places both a good majority of international students and migrants do not bother to integrate. Example my flat i have 4/7 international students, basically all of them don't bother to socialise with any of us non internationals, except for saying hello and a couple of general words around, same thing around the university, especially asians (orientals) they are rude and do not even try to integrate one bit (mostly).
But hi 5 to the ones who do which are a good number, but most are :/

I think its only obvious that immigrants that are settling here have to show pass some semblance of english language skills ( or should do) depending on the type of visa they apply for. If they do not but still qualify to come here , ie as a spouse or child of a current resident, they should be encouraged to take language classes.

As regards overseas students, i reckon most speak decent english already seeing as their courses are all in english here. Whether they choose to mix with you or not is not really relevant - they spend 5 times as much money as you to study here, they can do what they want quite frankly, they arnt sponging off anyone else. Isnt college full of people you will probably never speak to and either will or wont be friends with? If you want to mix with them, try being more interesting perhaps.

When british people go over to spain, do you think they become best buddies with all the spanish speaking locals or do they camp up alongside a bunch of other ex-pats in an english pub playing darts and watching sky tv?

Was that an attempt at sarcasm?

British people go on holiday there, most don't settle down there. I don't know how you can compare the 2..

Was that an attempt at sarcasm?

British people go on holiday there, most don't settle down there. I don't know how you can compare the 2..

Ex-pats aren't holidaying.

How are the international students who will only be living with you for roughly 8 months settled down? They didn't choose to be put with you, so why should they be obliged to converse with you? They applied for accommodation, not conversation.

And did i choose to be put with them no.
Im bored of this now. I think your intolerant and ignorant.

Eh, what are you on about? More than a million british people live in spain alone. many more in france, portugal, cyprus various parts of europe etc - how integrated do you think they are?
It takes many generations to integrate properly.

There are far more British people in Australia than anywhere else, including Spain. Most of those British people are very well integrated into Australian life.

Eh, what are you on about? More than a million british people live in spain alone. many more in france, portugal, cyprus various parts of europe etc - how integrated do you think they are?
It takes many generations to integrate properly.

We only hear about the British ex-pats living in places like Benidorm; you'll find the vast majority who go to live in the French countryside etc, learning the language, sending their children to the local schools, starting businesses catering for the community (I mean the host community, not the British expats), even standing for election.

A few hundred lager louts moving to Benidorm =/= the whole British expat demographic.

Thats fine, im sure there are lots of other people that have integrated into USA society too.
Im talking about european countries here, where there is a significantly different culture, language etc.

Other than language, there aren't really many cultural differences between Brits and West Europeans.

then why arnt brits integrating well into spanish society?