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    (Original post by Mishael)

    But people expect her to! Women are made to feel guilty by politicians and certain newspapers if they want to go back to work after they have a child.
    Here here, I think this is a problem mainstream feminism has created. Through wanting power in the workplace, feminists of the 60s and 70s encouraged going back to work quickly. However, now we have realised we are not superwomen and would like to spend time with our children, it has become a bit more difficult to do so because of the precedent set in the 60s and 70s.
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    "don't take a compliment"

    Right I see... it was a compliment, not a generalisation... you're not helping your male "brothers" there really.
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    (Original post by lofichic)
    "don't take a compliment"

    Right I see... it was a compliment, not a generalisation... you're not helping your male "brothers" there really.
    so in ur opinion, generalising to a good side is no compliment is not good, ok ill take that to mind.

    my point was, that in 'general' female's express more emotion than males. kos most males learn to hide some emotion. IN GENERAL.

    the compliment here, which you did not realise and i will point out is, that alot less murders, rapes, abduction, killings, beatings are carried out by women.

    you don't hear much about a woman killed so and so, a woman abducted so and so, a mob of women attacked so and so. see my point.
    most violent acts seem to be carried out by males.
    this could show that females tend to show more compassion towards any human being compared to male showing compassion. IN GENERAL, a man would more likely kill someone when told to, than a woman. in general.

    and my compliment was that as a result of the compassion, a woman would feel it harder to let 100 people die for 100,000 than a man would. that is, for a normal citizen. in general.
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    How are you using the term 'emotion'? Do you mean that men don't laugh/anger/get stressed as easily as women or are you just talking about blubbing? How do you know a man is more likely to kill someone when told to that a woman?
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    (Original post by eleenia)
    How are you using the term 'emotion'? Do you mean that men don't laugh/anger/get stressed as easily as women or are you just talking about blubbing? How do you know a man is more likely to kill someone when told to that a woman?
    Emotion. As in, men/boys from an early age learn to not cry when feel like it, the phrase "be a big boy, don't cry" comes to mind. you get bullied at skool if u cry, that is if ur male. that's one emotion suppressed.
    in sad movies, you would see a lot more females crying, that wouldn't mean that the men there weren't feeling the same thing, its that they won't show it.

    anger, well males and females might experience anger, but males would more probably act out on it. Why do we get domestic abuse where the wife is abused, but not many where its the other way around.

    The kill part, well, as i said before, men tend to be more aggressive, in general, kos of nature and the evolution stuff, if you belive it. i don't have any statistics that a man would more likely kill another person when told to, but i believe that is the case, in general.
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    Well one thing you always have to bear in mind with the domestic abuse thing is that men tend less to report cases of domestic abuse because of the stereotypes that you have already touched upon - i.e. women = passive, men = agressive (men may feel that have somehow been unmanly if they have been abused by a women) So if less cases are reported, it only reinforces the stereotype that men are violent and women are not. Catch my drift?
    Also you have to draw the line between a stereotype and a compliment. Is it a compliment to say 'all black people are really good dancers' if its a pointless stereotype?
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    (Original post by eleenia)
    Well one thing you always have to bear in mind with the domestic abuse thing is that men tend less to report cases of domestic abuse because of the stereotypes that you have already touched upon - i.e. women = passive, men = agressive (men may feel that have somehow been unmanly if they have been abused by a women) So if less cases are reported, it only reinforces the stereotype that men are violent and women are not. Catch my drift?
    Also you have to draw the line between a stereotype and a compliment. Is it a compliment to say 'all black people are really good dancers' if its a pointless stereotype?
    but the thing is, my comments were not very stereotypical as i never said 'all'. i always said 'women tend to......' which does not mean all women do. just like saying that 'black people tend to be good dancer' has a different meaning to 'all black people are good dancers'. (reminds of simpsons episodes where carl gets angery and says 'i hate it when peoople think that im a shoudl be good basketball player just because im african american', then he jumps in in the air gets to the basket and smashes the ball into the net, the glass shatters, falls on the floor, and then he does a vitory dance) sorry, had to put that in.
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    (Original post by SasunD)
    but the thing is, my comments were not very stereotypical as i never said 'all'. i always said 'women tend to......' which does not mean all women do. just like saying that 'black people tend to be good dancer' has a different meaning to 'all black people are good dancers'. (reminds of simpsons episodes where carl gets angery and says 'i hate it when peoople think that im a shoudl be good basketball player just because im african american', then he jumps in in the air gets to the basket and smashes the ball into the net, the glass shatters, falls on the floor, and then he does a vitory dance) sorry, had to put that in.
    no, 'black people tend to be good dancers' is actually a stereotype. I'm not saying stereotypes are inherently evil. Its to do with the effects that they have and whether or not they have any bearing on reality.
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    (Original post by gemma1811)
    This thread is especially for W.A.S.Hewins - he seems to have a problem with women, especially the feminists on this forum - although the continually says that he does not actually know what a feminist is!

    He is continually having a go at women for no reason, i'm thinking he is anti-women and if you try to defend the female race he calls you feminazi and insults you.

    I've decided that it would be interesting to hear everyones view on feminism - i personally am not a feminist as I don't know enought about it to be one, however I do know feminists! So what does everyone think?
    The issue is that Boss Lady and Clare have a problem with men. Gemma is just the muddle-headed janitor of their little ideological lavatory.

    Every time they post they include tag lines- one plainly stating that all men are 'stupid' (Boss Lady) and implying that men routinely use women as 'doormats' (Clare). This is every time they post, no matter what the subject of the thread is supposed to be, and they've been doing this for ages. They don't accept that such comments are prejudicial and sexist, but they do demand the right to stop other people from sending the same vibes back to them in the other direction. Moral: it's all right for them to badmouth men (99.9999999999% of whom they could never possibly know), but it's not all right for men to answer back.

    Incidentally I don't object to them making such comments, just as long as I am allowed the same privilege.

    Are they just dumb? Or are they hypocrites? Or both?
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    Im swedish and my general impression is that those who call themselves feminist usually do it because they want attention or in order to promote themselves. I am in favour of equalisation alright, but with feminism I usually ascociate some person ( over here even some men declare themselves as feminists) who seeks to promote herself/himself by adopting feminism. I think most people do take equalisation between the genders quite seriously, but some people just want to make up problems where there are none.

    These people, who start making a huge scene out of some minority, greatly undermine wommen's case in society. The only consequence when people tear down posters with models on them, or starts to complain when meterological institutes give to many female names to cyclones, is that people start viewing the equalisation as some silly immature complaining, thus destroying the fundation for further work into equalising the genders.

    Thi sis not only the case with feminism, similar problems exist within animals rights, environmental issues and the rights of immigrants. In my honset opinion, those who truly advocate these rights would be wise to distance themselves away from the sort of people who undermine their reputation and status.
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    (Original post by Jonatan)
    Im swedish and my general impression is that those who call themselves feminist usually do it because they want attention or in order to promote themselves. I am in favour of equalisation alright, but with feminism I usually ascociate some person ( over here even some men declare themselves as feminists) who seeks to promote herself/himself by adopting feminism. I think most people do take equalisation between the genders quite seriously, but some people just want to make up problems where there are none.

    These people, who start making a huge scene out of some minority, greatly undermine wommen's case in society. The only consequence when people tear down posters with models on them, or starts to complain when meterological institutes give to many female names to cyclones, is that people start viewing the equalisation as some silly immature complaining, thus destroying the fundation for further work into equalising the genders.

    Thi sis not only the case with feminism, similar problems exist within animals rights, environmental issues and the rights of immigrants. In my honset opinion, those who truly advocate these rights would be wise to distance themselves away from the sort of people who undermine their reputation and status.
    Good on you, Jonatan, stand up for yourself, don't let the fascists get you...
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    (Original post by W.A.S Hewins)
    Good on you, Jonatan, stand up for yourself, don't let the fascists get you...
    Newsflash (pun intended) the US career feminist Naomi Woolf has accused the famous professor, Harold Bloom, of harassing her years ago-so long ago that there won't be any evidence with which to defend him-how convenient for her-we think of John Leslie. Camille Paglia has come to Bloom's defence, saying it's a cheek, so see the following from one of the many US men's media outlets:


    'The American feminist Naomi Wolf has accused a noted Yale University professor of sexually harassing her while she was an undergraduate, and alleged a long history of such events at Yale.

    According to advance "tasters" of her magazine expose, Wolf describes herself as a victim of harassment and names Harold Bloom, a prominent literary critic and Sterling Professor of Humanities at Yale, as her tormentor.

    Her denunciation of alleged sexual misconduct at the Ivy League university has drawn a furious response from one of her feminist sisters and another former student of the professor.

    Camille Paglia accused Wolf of staging a witch-hunt similar to those that swept New England in the 17th century and, in distinctly unfeminist fashion, of exploiting her looks to advance her career.

    "It really smacks of the Salem witch-hunts and all the accompanying hysteria," Paglia said.

    "It really grates on me that Naomi Wolf for her entire life has been batting her eyes and bobbing her boobs in the face of men and made a profession out of courting male attention by flirting and offering her sexual allure."

    Are you listening, bossy lady/Clare/Gemma?

    I'll visit the thread again soon-I'm just off right now to see the same slapper I pulled last night, I'll be thinking of you when I'm with her, just before the moment of truth... (she likes it rough and her boyfriend's away-aren't women sweet and loyal...)
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    Rubbish. Calling yourself a feminist is no more attention seeking or self-promoting than calling yourself Swedish! If people tear down posters of models because they feel that they project an image of femininity that is idealistic, unhealthy and quite frankly impossibly for most women to live up to then so be it. If people have a problem with the female body being objectified then again they have perfect grounds for a debate. Feminism is not always about equality as i said before it is also about the misrepresentation of women. You may not see that there is a problem with something but give others the chance to voice their opinion.
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    I'll visit the thread again soon-I'm just off right now to see the same slapper I pulled last night, I'll be thinking of you when I'm with her, just before the moment of truth... (she likes it rough and her boyfriend's away-aren't women sweet and loyal...)

    [/QUOTE]odds on she'll be thinking of Brad Pitt.
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    I don't understand why feminists are often seen as militant, any female or male who feels that the male and female roles in society should be equal is probably a feminist as women are usually suppressed rather than men. That said, the current view of the man as "rather stupid" as promoted by severall women's magazines, adverts etc. is also harmful as it just starts off the battle again.

    Not all males are stupid and unfeeling.

    Not all females are catty and unfaithful.

    How are these facts so difficult to grasp? Maybe there should be a new movement called the equalitists or something (i know it sounds stupid) for people who don't give a sh*t about the gender war and want to get on with their lives?
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    rather like a capitalist wanting us to put this whole class war thing to bed eh?
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    (Original post by riffraff)
    people who don't give a sh*t about the gender war and want to get on with their lives?
    There isn't really a gender 'war' at all. Gender inequality is still all around us, and it affects our lives, so therefore why shouldn't people take an interest in it? That doesn't mean males and females are at war.
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    (Original post by hildabeast)
    There isn't really a gender 'war' at all. Gender inequality is still all around us, and it affects our lives, so therefore why shouldn't people take an interest in it? That doesn't mean males and females are at war.
    Very reasonable comments, HB, what worries some of us is the perception that all the inequalities are on one side, and also the attempt to use alleged inequalities to limit free speech and free debate.

    On a related issue (and this is meant with love and kisses for the femmy troika who started this thread), the pornographer Larry Flynt had this to say recently in an interview with Wired News:

    'WN: What legacy do you hope to leave the world?

    Flynt: That I fought to expand the perimeters of free speech, and that I didn't waver on that issue. I'm proud of the contributions I've made in that area.

    WN: What's next?

    Flynt: (laughing) Oh, I've got plenty to do.'

    Enjoy your reading (or is it viewing?) Bossyfemmy, Claredoormat and Gemma..
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    (Original post by W.A.S Hewins)
    Enjoy your reading (or is it viewing?) Bossyfemmy, Claredoormat and Gemma..
    I do enjoy the reading thanks - also I'd like to thank you for actually using my name!
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    (Original post by gemma1811)
    I do enjoy the reading thanks - also I'd like to thank you for actually using my name!
    Talking about media consumption-has anybody noticed how Brit TV has legitimised female domestic violence against men? There was great triumphalism not long ago when some tart in Coronation Street gave a hefty clout to some two timing twit...I didn't see one single commentator who objected, and the punching scene was heavily promoted all over the media...

    This seems to be a general trend-sometimes when I watch TV I can hardly escape the sight of women handing out punches and kicks to males...

    Of course in the real world (if it still exists) a man has to be careful if he even lifts a hand to defend himself when a woman becomes physically aggressive.... the whole domestic violence issue has become a monstrous lie...
 
 
 
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