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(Original post by White_redrose)
Totally agree. I find it hard to motivate myself/say no to plans to go out sometimes - which is why I often end up writing the weekly essay about 6hrs before it's due to be handed in - not something I'd recommend doing really, as the stress etc isn't very nice, but I've fallen into a pattern of doing that now and, as you say, the pressure actually helps to focus my mind and forces me to work.
:ditto:

It's really bad. I keep meaning to finish all the reading for my weekly essay by the end of Friday, to plan the essay on Saturday and write it on Sunday... that has never happened yet and I'm usually slaving away still on Monday, missing more of my pitifully few lectures!
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Oh. Finalised my politics essay 1.5 minutes before my deadline. (Ran to my seminar.) Back today. 74. :p:

We all work differently. Please don't be patronising. I've realised I can only do my best under extreme pressure. It's breaking me down though.
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I always do work at the last moment. See I can't work when I am not under stress. Stress is what turns me from the wretchedly indolent individual that I am to one who can actually work very hard.
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I tend to leave everything until the last minute usually. It's not really a choice so much as it just happens and I'm not too happy about it. But in the end I do get pretty good grades for my work and have yet to miss a deadline so I guess it works for me.
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People who do the work early usually feel somewhat superior. However, they rarely actually do better than anyone else. All I know is every time I've done an essay with loads of time to spare, I get lower marks than usual.
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(Original post by -Blade-)
Now I don't have a job as I don't think it is appropriate to go to uni and have a job (of course it is possible, but I prefer to concentrate on one thing, if I lived out then I would be forced into a job).

I feel that those students who do all their work as soon as possible deserve to relax and enjoy uni life/socialise, and those who work till the last minute deserve all the stress they get. Why should I do even more work when all my deadlines are met (often months before the deadline - and I don't need no extensions unlike other students)? Then where is the incentive to do work straight away and where is the time to socialise (something which I can now balance fairly)? If I do the work, I deserve to reward myself or I can never have any fun in uni. I do 90% of my work at home so if I do more work in uni then I am doing work all day really.

What is your view on this?
I agree with you actually.

As long as you're doing well grades-wise, then fair play to you, enjoy uni because it will be the easiest time of your life compared to when you're in the real world and have a full time job, etc.

I have to work 20 hours a week to fund my studies, at the sacrifice of much of a social life except organised nights that I can plan for - I don't get the opportunity to spend a lazy afternoon playing pool in the union.
So appreciate your opportunity to do so and have fun

But like another post said, just make sure you don't give your Dad the opportunity to say "I told you so", because not only will this be humiliating :rolleyes: but a not-so-good degree will haunt you when your looking for jobs etc., and those afternoons socialising wont seem worth it then.
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I rarely do essays now as my course is more computing orientated then say a general business or English course. As my work involves producing some sort of technical system with new software packages, I research into what software will meet my expectations straightaway as I know this may take time to find the perfect toolset. This bit is not stressful at all, it's simple research. But I have also learnt from experience that half way through producing my system (which requires a report as well), I need new software and this takes up a lot of time in the mean time.

All essays (when I rarely have them) require research, hence I split this type of work into two bits - research and presentation (the latter being the write up). As I am a perfectionist, I spend ages making small changes, which probably won't gain me any marks, until the deadline so in a way I do things till the last minute - only the small trivial things. I can understand that if the work was an exercise, you can do it at the last minute comfortably, but with essays and coursework which have such significance to your final degree type, you cannot do this - and it's not simply type, of course there is all the research and presentation to think of. Then the tweaking begins.

If two students (someone said here) work in opposite fashions and the student who does the work later gets higher marks, it could be due to any number of factors - some of which may not be obvious.

I didn't say anything about feeling superior to those who do work at the last minute but when someone makes a deliberate choice to do his or her work at the last minute when they have plenty of time, struggles with it, and then complains, they deserve all of the stress they visibly show and all the socialising they miss out on. When I am doing my work as soon as I can, my socialising is at a minimum.

As for my dad asking about the ins and outs of my life, it is because as I do all of my work straightaway and have nothing left to do, I am spending money going out/playing pool or doing whatever interests me in my free time and in the process spending too much time and money doing so. The amount I spend is being related to the time I spend having fun. It's even worse that even when I get mail from the bank (statements), I am given the privilege to open it myself rather than my parents but what is the point when they will ask me to see it?

You're also right, I shouldn't give my dad the chance to say "I told you so", so I am going to start my revision programme (for one exam only lol) very soon, but still balance my work and fun commitments.
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(Original post by -Blade-)
I didn't say anything about feeling superior to those who do work at the last minute but when someone makes a deliberate choice to do his or her work at the last minute when they have plenty of time, struggles with it, and then complains, they deserve all of the stress they visibly show and all the socialising they miss out on. When I am doing my work as soon as I can, my socialising is at a minimum.
(Original post by -Blade-)
I feel that those students who do all their work as soon as possible deserve to relax and enjoy uni life/socialise, and those who work till the last minute deserve all the stress they get.
1) It is not my fault I work better under pressure
2) I don't consciously decide I'm going to do my work at the last minute
3) My free time/Socialising is not a problem - I have plenty

The only thing I dislike, in college, is when people miss the deadlines but are still allowed to submit their work, that is unfair.
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The only thing I dislike, in college, is when people miss the deadlines but are still allowed to submit their work, that is unfair.
I fully agree.

My uni seems to have a "blind eye" policy to deadlines and cheating.

One student has been "investigated" 3 times for cheating and "no conclusive evidence" found. It is common knowledge he does it - he left his criminal notes typed up in the toilets during the criminal exam last year, went to the toilet THREE TIMES during the exam, but the department reckon they couldn't prove the notes were his. There have been 2 other similar occasions, all common knowledge he's a scumbag - he's quite blatant about it. :mad:

Anyway this semester him and 5 of his mates have handed in a virtually identical plaguerised asssignment - all they've got is a slap on the wrists, and the opportunity to rewrite the assignment with their marks capped at 40. They should have been kicked out. :mad:

Sorry I've digressed again

But you catch my drift.... :rolleyes:
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I think the idea is to keep working on it until the end, with constant revision.
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I fully agree.

My uni seems to have a "blind eye" policy to deadlines and cheating.
I've come to accept that in college, but I had hoped that didn't go on at Uni.
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I've come to accept that in college, but I had hoped that didn't go on at Uni.
Unfortunately it does

Its so frustrating when you've worked so hard, got a great mark, then some muppet gets the same / better than you, and you have it on good authority that the mark cost him 50 quid from one of the masters students.
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Cheaters miss the satisfaction of completing a piece of work, knowing you put in some damn good hard work. In a way, they're missing out on one of life's great feelings. Take pleasure in that, everytime you complete something you put your heart into.
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(Original post by apple tree)
Cheaters miss the satisfaction of completing a piece of work, knowing you put in some damn good hard work. In a way, they're missing out on one of life's great feelings. Take pleasure in that, everytime you complete something you put your heart into.
cheats are also at disadvantage in exams unless they can cheat in those too
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(Original post by ellewoods)
I fully agree.

My uni seems to have a "blind eye" policy to deadlines and cheating.

One student has been "investigated" 3 times for cheating and "no conclusive evidence" found. It is common knowledge he does it - he left his criminal notes typed up in the toilets during the criminal exam last year, went to the toilet THREE TIMES during the exam, but the department reckon they couldn't prove the notes were his. There have been 2 other similar occasions, all common knowledge he's a scumbag - he's quite blatant about it. :mad:

Anyway this semester him and 5 of his mates have handed in a virtually identical plaguerised asssignment - all they've got is a slap on the wrists, and the opportunity to rewrite the assignment with their marks capped at 40. They should have been kicked out. :mad:

Sorry I've digressed again

But you catch my drift.... :rolleyes:
It is really difficult to prove plagiarism and Universities will only take action when there is a watertight legal case. It is a real shame that people get away with it, but Universities don't want to lose money being sued.

I have actually experienced plagiarism from the teaching point of view and it is very frustrating, but you can't take any chances and accusing someone of plagiarism without good evidence is risky.
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It is really difficult to prove plagiarism and Universities will only take action when there is a watertight legal case. It is a real shame that people get away with it, but Universities don't want to lose money being sued.

I have actually experienced plagiarism from the teaching point of view and it is very frustrating, but you can't take any chances and accusing someone of plagiarism without good evidence is risky.
I never thought of it from that point of view, thanku, your point is really interesting

One particular individual has cheated by
- paying master students to write his assignments (again, uni couldnt prove it, but he openly admitted it to other students)
- handing in the same assignment as 5 other friends (although it could not be established who was the source of the actual content and who simply copied it)
- stashing criminal notes in the toilets during an exam and leaving the exam 3 times to go to the toilet (they couldnt prove notes were his)
- kicking off in the middle of an exam being held in a classroom as there were very few people on the module; he waited until 1 invigilator had left the room, leaving the other 1, then demanded to see the head of module immediately as there was a "mistake" on the paper, and the remaining invigilator left the room to fetch the head of module! :eek: He and his friend immediately started urgently talking and looking at notes from under his desk!!!!
We have felt unable to report this last one as surely the fact we were left alone would invalidate all our marks as the exam wasn't carried out in accordance with exam / board conditions??!! :confused:

I agree he wont ever have the satisfaction of actually achieving.

However if he does get a training contract and become a laywer, Im more concerned about his clients, who will put their trust and their best interests in him, unaware he is a cheat and a fraud.

He is one of those people who would definately sue the uni if they tried to exclude him as well :mad:
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(Original post by ellewoods)
- paying master students to write his assignments (again, uni couldnt prove it, but he openly admitted it to other students)
This is a disgrace. I'm very disappointed that postgraduate students would behave in such a way.

- handing in the same assignment as 5 other friends (although it could not be established who was the source of the actual content and who simply copied it)
This happens with alarming regularity - universities often cop out and introduce more teamwork into the course.

- stashing criminal notes in the toilets during an exam and leaving the exam 3 times to go to the toilet (they couldnt prove notes were his)
Again, he was smart enough to type his notes out and got away with.

- kicking off in the middle of an exam being held in a classroom as there were very few people on the module; he waited until 1 invigilator had left the room, leaving the other 1, then demanded to see the head of module immediately as there was a "mistake" on the paper, and the remaining invigilator left the room to fetch the head of module! :eek: He and his friend immediately started urgently talking and looking at notes from under his desk!!!!
We have felt unable to report this last one as surely the fact we were left alone would invalidate all our marks as the exam wasn't carried out in accordance with exam / board conditions??!! :confused:
But you should have reported this. Invigilators are paid to invigilate, by doing this they are not acting responsibly.

The problem is that universities are so frightened of legal battles with students, in which the media will always make them out to be the bad guys (David and Goliath). I'm kind of hopeful that these new student contracts will address these problems, making it fairer for all concerned.
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Ask your lecturers what's better.

Finish your drafts early and then sharpen them up til the very end.

Simple.
i agree with u there. however, my mind works at maximum capacity when under significant pressure. i always do the essay draft very early and finish it a couple of nights before
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I can never fully finish an essay to the deadline.

I don't see why anyone else can.

I scrutinise it over and over.
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I can never fully finish an essay to the deadline.

I don't see why anyone else can.

I scrutinise it over and over.
A true master believes none of his work is complete.
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