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The Application System - Do you think it is unfair?

Dear All,

I have just recieved my third rejection today and I feel at a complete loss. The letter that I recieved from Leeds stated that they recieved approximately 1000 applications and thus the standard of competition is extremely high. I understand this and also understand that the admissions officers must have a very stressful job.

I understand that there are not enough places for additional students to be placed onto courses as this would simply not comply with health and saftey regulations and would also be difficult for universities and lecturers to manage.

However, I feel that this is a totally unacceptable reason for people who would make fantastic dentists and contribute a great deal to the NHS and community/society as a whole to be rejected.

I do not feel that the government understands what a great loss that this is to society. In 2007 a new dental school will open, yet I do not feel that this is enough at all. Especially as the UKCAT admissions tests will be needed.

Today at my Manchester Pharmacy interview I came across MANY people who had either applied for medicine or dentistry and have been given one or more (maybe all) rejections. From their feedback they told me that it was simply due to the intensity of competition that the universityies decided to reject them.

I feel that something must be done and I do hope that you all agree. If you have any ideas as to how we can make this noticed to the wider society or simply have a comment to make then please post a reply.

Many Thanks,

Jaggy xxx

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jaggy1
Dear All,

I have just recieved my third rejection today and I feel at a complete loss. The letter that I recieved from Leeds stated that they recieved approximately 1000 applications and thus the standard of competition is extremely high. I understand this and also understand that the admissions officers must have a very stressful job.

I understand that there are not enough places for additional students to be placed onto courses as this would simply not comply with health and saftey regulations and would also be difficult for universities and lecturers to manage.

However, I feel that this is a totally unacceptable reason for people who would make fantastic dentists and contribute a great deal to the NHS and community/society as a whole to be rejected.

I do not feel that the government understands what a great loss that this is to society. In 2007 a new dental school will open, yet I do not feel that this is enough at all. Especially as the UKCAT admissions tests will be needed.

Today at my Manchester Pharmacy interview I came across MANY people who had either applied for medicine or dentistry and have been given one or more (maybe all) rejections. From their feedback they told me that it was simply due to the intensity of competition that the universityies decided to reject them.

I feel that something must be done and I do hope that you all agree. If you have any ideas as to how we can make this noticed to the wider society or simply have a comment to make then please post a reply.

Many Thanks,


Jaggy xxx


If they thought that other competition was better than you then no it is not unfair! Plenty of people do get places and these are the best people. Basically they didn't think you were good enough to go there, get over it! Its the same for pretty much every course at good unis, they are so oversubscribed by amazing candidates they can pick who they want!
Reply 2
there are approximately 70 places at leeds university with 1000 applications. Are you saying that the rejected applicantions wwould not be fantastic dentists and would thus not be a benfit to society?
Reply 3
Please notethat I am not thinking about myself here as I know that I have not got in.

I am thinking about how the application system can be fairer for future people applying :smile:
jaggy1
there are approximately 70 places at leeds university with 1000 applications. Are you saying that the rejected applicantions wwould not be fantastic dentists and would thus not be a benfit to society?

No I'm just saying (that in your example here) leeds took the best 70 candidates. Doesn't matter how many applied. Not all of them would make fantastic applicants though. What about other degrees such as law and all other degrees which help benifit society through enhancing the economy? Seriously, get over being rejected, you weren't good enough for that place, end of!
Reply 5
As I have already explained I am no longer interested in 'fighting' for my place.

I have only given dentistry as an example and as you rightly said law is another.
i am sorry if i insulted you in anyway for you to react harshly to me.
Reply 6
I see the point you're making, but it costs soo much money to put people through medical school or dentistry or something, the government or the universities or whatever can't afford to take on every single person that might be suitable.
Reply 7
Once upon a time the universities had enough room for as many students that applied, but nowadays there are millions that want a degree. Simply put, Britain is too smart for its own good. Until there's enough places on a national scale, unis will have to be very discriminating in assssing applications.
Reply 8

theres loads of universities in this country, apply to others... If you've got the ability and skill you'll do well at any university.
Reply 9

theres loads of universities in this country, apply to others... If you've got the ability and skill you'll do well at any university.
Reply 10
Places for the aforementioned courses are intensely fought for, and for good reason. Many companies have positions available, and see dozens of candidates, most of whom are probably highly suitable for the job. But if there is only one vacancy, someone has to make a decision, and many will unsuccessful. This is how the game works. You pick yourself up, and find an alternative.
How does that make the application process unfair? Everyone has a chance to be considered by every university they applied for.
Unfair would be say the admissions tutors only took applications form people with £xxxxxxx in the bank and attending a top 100 school/college.
Everyone had a chance to prove themselves, some people dont get in. That's life. When you go for a job, do you think they should create tonnes more jobs, just so that everyone get in, because they "might" be good.
Reply 12
It doesn't make that applicaction system unfair, there are only so many places available, they can't offer everybody a place if they haven't got the space.
you got rejected from 3 places. Are you sure that you havent just tried to get into somewhere a little too prestigeous for the grades you achieved? I dont know whgat your grades are so i wont pass judgement. Also, the whole idea of an application system is so that the unis can judge whether or not they want you. Becasue some places done, doesnt make it unfair.
Reply 14
I think that from what I have read that those who have posted feel that i am being a bad loser.

Well i am not, and i do not think that i have explained myself clearer.

I just feel that the small number of applicant being accepted onto some courses is very dentremental to society in th elong run and i do not think that many people recognise this.
Reply 15
jaggy1
I just feel that the small number of applicant being accepted onto some courses is very dentremental to society in th elong run and i do not think that many people recognise this.


Not really. If they don't get accepted at one place, they'll get in at another, even if they have to go through clearing. It's not like thousands of talented people are ending up on the scrapheap, just because certain universities can't accept all their applicants. Are we losing out because large percentages are being rejected from Oxbridge? No, as they're liable to end up at Warwick, Durham, or wherever.
Reply 16
I understand where you are coming from, I think the problem is their are way to many students reaching top grades at A level. Example last year those with AAAs and strong genuine intrest in denistry/medicine would have managed to secure a place. But now due to the number of AAA students applying quite a large number dont even get interviews. I think the only real solutions are to introduce more 'harder' entrance tests like the bmat specifcally tailored to the course.
Reply 17
entrance exams anyone???
Reply 18
jaggy1
I think that from what I have read that those who have posted feel that i am being a bad loser.

Well i am not, and i do not think that i have explained myself clearer.

I just feel that the small number of applicant being accepted onto some courses is very dentremental to society in th elong run and i do not think that many people recognise this.


Not really, there's only so many people you can fit in to a lab or whatever. Life's a competition, why should getting in to uni be any different.
jaggy1

I just feel that the small number of applicant being accepted onto some courses is very dentremental to society in th elong run and i do not think that many people recognise this.


You're entirely right. Let's make 1,000 undergrad places available in every dentistry school in the country, because we need a hundred thousand new dentists every year.

Face it, you didn't get accepted because there were at least 70 people better than you, and the fact that you applied for pharm as well would hardly have impressed the admissions tutors.