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The Kony 2012 Campaign

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Reply 60
I saw the original movie they made- Invisible Children back in 2003. Gave me something beyond the chills! You can watch it here if you like, but prepare for a bit of gore.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3166797753930210643

It gives a little more detail about the situation than the campaign video, although I loved the latter, too.
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Original post by Konni_93
... and if you'd watched the video, you might have found out that it was due to the campaign. I had starkly wondered at the time why Obama would undertake such a seemingly irrational move - here is the answer. Secondly the message is precisely to retain (if not send) troops in Uganda.

I don't uncritically endorse the campaign. But if you critcise it, at least make an informed criticism.


It was due to the campaign that Obama proposed the bill however it wasn't fully due to them that Obama sent militarily advisers there. And it isn't far-fetched to believe Obama has his own moral conviction, I doubt it's costing the US much plus the fact that they'd be able to play it on it if they ever capture Kony is another motive there. It's still a useless video.
Reply 62
Original post by P4zza
Well looks like someone beat me to it, I literally just logged in to post the exact same thing, It is shocking and this movement is fantastic mucho respect to the guy and the rest of his followers, it is more than certain going to be a life changing event, and I would be more than Happy to be involved with a UK base for this!

I want to start now aswell!


I really want to get going too! I have emailed invisible children to see if they have anything set up and if not, if they will help me. Am waiting for a reply but I will keep you informed...
Original post by Konni_93
Problem is that the action kit costs $30 (which is alrightish) but they slap another $20 on top for international shipping. There has to be some way of accessing it in the UK to make this make any sense, because reposting on Facebokk doesnt do a damn, and is not the point of the campaign.

But that will never happen, because mobilsing people in the UK or elsewhere is entirely irrelevant to the campaign organisers. Its a nice bonus, but it is ultimately entirely irrelevant. This is an attempt to exert public pressure on the US administration, so mobilising people in the UK makes no difference for the simple but massively important reason that they cannot vote in the US. The way this works is the US system of lobbyable Congressmen/women who can be targetted by their constituencies, so it actually makes an impact there. But starting it here really IS a 'feel-good-about-ourselves' exercise, hard as it sounds.

Obviously I reposted it massively, and as you can see I also tried to buy the kit - but there isn't really a point, unless people would intend to turn this against Cameron too. And that wouldn't work, because in the US Invisible Children is a massive, organised, financed advocacy-group. As much as it looks htat way on the surface, this can in no way be drawn up by a few student as a part-time activity.


You don't have to buy the kit to help though. I donated some money to the campaign through the website and I'm sure many others will be inspired by the video to do the same. It's no bad thing for it to have publicity here as well; part of the campaign is to just raise awareness of this man and Invisible Children's aim. It may not have as much impact as it would if we were in the US but I'm sure it's still making a difference.
Reply 64
Already begun organising events where I live (Norfolk). Also looking into hi-jacking a college assembly. They need to set up a UK based distributor for the action kit, as $50 is too much for me right now (though I'm trying!). The shipping alone is $20!

-STOP KONY-
Reply 65
I feel terrible for this but the video didn't affect me that much. I was just sat there when he was saying all the horrible stuff Kony does and going 'yeah, I know. Stuff like this isn't new'. You have to be pretty naive to think this stuff hasn't been going on for years, horrible as it is and I think I am just desensitized to the evil things people do in the world - it is all we ever see on the news. That said, I still think the video is great and the whole campaign to make Kony famous is genius. I hope it is successful and that he is brought to justice for the horrible suffering he has brought to his victims.
Eurgh this BS is all over my Facebook. It's ****ing pointless. Do you really think it will achieve anything? It's the same as the "Make Poverty History" campaign. A lame concert and suddenly the world's problems disappear?
This is the same. Stuff like this goes on in Africa all the time and the sad thing is that nobody gives a ****! Once this person is found do we all just pat ourselves on the back and carry on as normal? HAHAHAHA
Reply 67
http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble
I do not doubt for a second that those involved in KONY 2012 have great intentions, nor do I doubt for a second that Joseph Kony is a very evil man. But despite this, I’m strongly opposed to the KONY 2012 campaign.

KONY 2012 is the product of a group called Invisible Children, a controversial activist group and not-for-profit. They’ve released 11 films, most with an accompanying bracelet colour (KONY 2012 is fittingly red), all of which focus on Joseph Kony. When we buy merch from them, when we link to their video, when we put up posters linking to their website, we support the organization. I don’t think that’s a good thing, and I’m not alone.

Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven’t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that.

The group is in favour of direct military intervention, and their money funds the Ugandan government’s army and various other military forces. Here’s a photo of the founders of Invisible Children posing with weapons and personnel of the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. Both the Ugandan army and Sudan People’s Liberation Army are riddled with accusations of rape and looting, but Invisible Children defends them, arguing that the Ugandan army is “better equipped than that of any of the other affected countries”, although Kony is no longer active in Uganda and hasn’t been since 2006 by their own admission.

Still, the bulk of Invisible Children’s spending isn’t on funding African militias, but on awareness and filmmaking. Which can be great, except that Foreign Affairs has claimed that Invisible Children (among others) “manipulates facts for strategic purposes, exaggerating the scale of LRA abductions and murders and emphasizing the LRA’s use of innocent children as soldiers, and portraying Kony a brutal man, to be sure as uniquely awful, a Kurtz-like embodiment of evil.” He’s certainly evil, but exaggeration and manipulation to capture the public eye is unproductive, unprofessional and dishonest.

As Christ Blattman, a political scientist at Yale, writes on the topic of IC’s programming, “There’s also something inherently misleading, naive, maybe even dangerous, about the idea of rescuing children or saving of Africa. […] It hints uncomfortably of the White Man’s Burden. Worse, sometimes it does more than hint. The savior attitude is pervasive in advocacy, and it inevitably shapes programming. Usually misconceived programming.”

Still, Kony’s a bad guy, and he’s been around a while. Which is why the US has been involved in stopping him for years. U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) has sent multiple missions to capture or kill Kony over the years. And they’ve failed time and time again, each provoking a ferocious response and increased retaliative slaughter. The issue with taking out a man who uses a child army is that his bodyguards are children. Any effort to capture or kill him will almost certainly result in many children’s deaths, an impact that needs to be minimized as much as possible. Each attempt brings more retaliation. And yet Invisible Children supports military intervention. Kony has been involved in peace talks in the past, which have fallen through. But Invisible Children is now focusing on military intervention.

Military intervention may or may not be the right idea, but people supporting KONY 2012 probably don’t realize they’re supporting the Ugandan military who are themselves raping and looting away. If people know this and still support Invisible Children because they feel it’s the best solution based on their knowledge and research, I have no issue with that. But I don’t think most people are in that position, and that’s a problem.

Is awareness good? Yes. But these problems are highly complex, not one-dimensional and, frankly, aren’t of the nature that can be solved by postering, film-making and changing your Facebook profile picture, as hard as that is to swallow. Giving your money and public support to Invisible Children so they can spend it on supporting ill-advised violent intervention and movie #12 isn’t helping. Do I have a better answer? No, I don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you should support KONY 2012 just because it’s something. Something isn’t always better than nothing. Sometimes it’s worse.

If you want to write to your Member of Parliament or your Senator or the President or the Prime Minister, by all means, go ahead. If you want to post about Joseph Kony’s crimes on Facebook, go ahead. But let’s keep it about Joseph Kony, not KONY 2012.


Just another perspective.

It's funny how a video shot with good music and a good camera gets people out of their isolated world into a state of slactivism.

InB4This****BlowsOverInAFewWeeksOrIfThey'reLuckyAFewMonthsJustLikeOccupy


I bet everyone who posted this video on their facebook also made their profile photos cartoon characters to 'create awareness' for child abuse. Just like in that child abuse campaign, I bet 99% of you lot won't even do anything about this situation aside from a few comments on youtube and facebook.


You ****** is sheeple.
(edited 12 years ago)
****ing slacktivism. How's the spreading awahness going?

Here's a charity to donate money to for anyone who doesn't just want to pretend they're doing something:

http://www.child-soldiers.org/get_involved/donate
Original post by Silver Arrow
Eurgh this BS is all over my Facebook. It's ****ing pointless. Do you really think it will achieve anything? It's the same as the "Make Poverty History" campaign. A lame concert and suddenly the world's problems disappear?
This is the same. Stuff like this goes on in Africa all the time and the sad thing is that nobody gives a ****! Once this person is found do we all just pat ourselves on the back and carry on as normal? HAHAHAHA


What Uganda really needs is more of a 'Western Presence'
Reply 70
People need to stop trying to make an argument out of this. Basically, watch the video, and on 20th of April put up as many posters as you can in your area/town centre. There's no reason why the UK or any number of other countries can't send 100 advisers aswell as the US. We need everyone to put as much pressure on their own government to stop Kony!
Original post by Callum828
What Uganda really needs is more of a 'Western Presence'


You mean Colonialism?


I know, this is so bad! But I think he is being pursued for war crimes against humanity but he keeps on evading capture. The US were after him a while back before he slipped through the net.

I agree, JOSEPH KONY IS AN EVIL PIECE OF WORK!!!!
Reply 74
Original post by FlyingGoose
What is this? A lot of people have posted it on Facebook.


Watch the video, you'll understand then :wink:
Original post by meeow
Watch the video, you'll understand then :wink:


I'll have to watch it later, I'm on a university computer at the moment and don't have any headphones with me.
I got a bit annoyed when my girlfriend posted that video. Why? Because there are more important issues that need to be solved.

lukas1051 summed up my views on it perfectly. My girlfriend doesn't seem to realise these things happen day to day. She seemed to be shocked when I said I'd seen someone killed in a video on the Internet (Im not a nutter, I was watching a report about the terrible things going on in Syria.)
Every single person posting this crap on my facebook wall lives in a bubble world and literally have no idea, nor interest in whats happening out there.
How many of my facebook friends have I seen comment on the Siege of Homs? Not a single person. I do wonder - If we make a fancy video about it will they all pretend to care, pretend to be thoroughly knowledgeable about the issue?


But thats not why I was annoyed - I was annoyed because there are more important matters at hand that need addressing, yet nobody cares.
My reply was (Keep in mind I was raging at the time)

'Dont you think there is more important things that need to be done?
For example oh you know... stopping 1 species becoming extinct every 20 MINUTES?
Or how about the earths temperature rising to levels that will make massive parts of the world either too hot to live in, or under water?
Or maybe stopping the oceans acidity levels rising faster than they ever have and killing every single living organism in the ocean...

But no, no one gives a **** about the facts that will change this planet for every single other living organism for good, do they.

All they care about is their own selfish, pathetic species.
The same pathetic species that is ruining this planet.
'The world we have we live in has new rules' - But the same old bull**** attitude.'


I probably over did it.
But why does everyone care so much about this one man, and the terrible things he did yet turn a blind eye to issues that will destroy this whole planet prematurely?
We find this man, he either gets put to death or dies in the near future. Every single person effected will be gone within 100 years.
If we ignore the other issues, people will be suffering for hundreds of years to come.



I'm not saying that this isn't a worthy cause, I'm not saying sit back and ignore it.
I'm saying step out of your ****ing bubble and see the world for what it really is. Lets try and fix this problem, but can we do it without ignoring the wider, more important problems? Please.
Reply 77
There's a difference between Kony, Syria and Global Warming. The latter two are already in the public's conscience.
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#MakeKonyFamous is all over Twitter. Should really be #MakeKonyINfamous - if he is 'famous', that means he is popular and well-regarded! #DecliningstandardsofEnglishlanguage.
Original post by meeow
Watch the video, you'll understand then :wink:


You do know that a thirty minute video is going to put anyone off who doesn't give a ****, primarily because watching the video is the source of knowing what the **** this is about, right?

Too long, didn't watch.

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