We need somewhere to train our troops for when we invade france.
Our original goal was to stop a government that harbored and supported terrorist groups that were a threat to us and the world, our current goal is to ensure that dangerous extremists wont be taking over again not to teach a country why basing your laws off a 1600 year old book is a bad idea.
Hopefully the transition will start going more smoothly and we can get out of there within the next 5 years, after that the Afghanis can be as conservative as they like providing they don't start falling back into old habits and are able to keep their own country safe while keeping terrorists and terrorist training camps out.
You can't teach people who don't want to learn, if the balance is shifting towards conservative Islam that is due to a large number of the native people wanting it. Attempting to force our ideals on a group of peoples who don't want them will only lead to resentment towards us and probably large scale resistance.
If countries like Afghanistan are ever going to become more civilized then they need to do it on their own.
I don't want to sound negative but we do all realise that within about 6 months of us leaving they'll be back to eating their babies, farming drugs for us (did they ever stop?) and building holiday camps for extremists.
The biggest problem the west is going to have prior to leaving is how much armament to leave the Afghan govt. Too little and they'll have no chance against the Taliban and too much is a risk for it inevitably falling to the Taliban.
The US needs the gas-line running through Afghanistan...
We let Afghanistan rot after the Soviets pulled out twenty years ago. That certainly didn't turn out too well.
I've heard that 99.9% of the original Taliban are dead already but new recruits keep coming from all over the world especially from other muslim countires and that keeps their numbers topped up so maybe when the US and the UK pull out those non afghan members of the taliban will return to their countires aswell maybe ten the Afghan goverment and police could beat their reduced numbers.
We get negged for wanting to dump them and we get negged for supporting the invasion. **** everyone.
couldnt agree more ... the task of taming afghanistan is like the soloman islands invading and conquering the USA it will not happen ... if the might of the British empire and the USSR couldnt beat the afghans what possible hope do we have now? its a fools erand and we should cut our losses, nothing good will ever come out of this.
The only way to completely control a country is to make it yours.
Can I remind you that you're a civilian without access to official NATO documents hence can't really make an informed opinion on cutting our losses?
Also, I really hate people who use the fact that there's an Islamic government = automatic failure. I'd much rather prefer UAE style Islamic government than Taliban style Islamic government. Islam is an ideology, it isn't a group. Different groups that support the ideology have different interpretations. Some are more liberal than others. It'll be excellent to have a liberal secular democracy but we can't ignore the Afghan population.
I support the current plans to remove combat troops by 2015 then allow military advisers to continue on training/providing intelligence to Afghan troops so hopefully they'll have the power to remove the remaining Taliban. Currently, the Afghan military don't have the capability to fight the Taliban and removing our support guarantees Afghan becoming a failed state. Whereas, with post-2015 it could go either way depending on what happens between now and 2015.