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    (Original post by El Scotto)

    I wish I had one... I want one with a game board and higher or lower... they're well fun.
    or a "deal or no deal" game
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    Oh, the cultural differences... I thought this thread was asking if people owned fruit-dispensing vending machines in their homes. Granted, that makes about as much sense as owning what we Americans call a slot machine.
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    (Original post by Zweig)
    Huh :confused:
    Does winning a £600 pot in a poker cash game count?
    Not really, no. We're talking about slot machines, remember?

    (Original post by zweig)


    1. Have fun card-counting in an online casino, where the cards are shuffled after every hand.
    Online casinos? Wtf? C'mon, let's get real. I'm talking real casinos, like Vegas, Atlantic City, Reno.

    And I know millionaires who have no jobs who have learned the art of counting cards, in real casinos.
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    I'm not rich enough.
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    (Original post by Inclination)
    Online casinos? Wtf? C'mon, let's get real. I'm talking real casinos, like Vegas, Atlantic City, Reno.

    And I know millionaires who have no jobs who have learned the art of counting cards, in real casinos.
    Well, then i'm sure they're aware that it's not allowed in casinos and that casinos will throw out card counters and ban them from the casino.
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    Card counting in casinos is nigh on impossible.

    6 Deck shoes
    Irregular shuffling
    Eye in the sky keeping tabs on what you're up to
    and finally... a burly looking Pit Boss.

    I'll just play by the book, thanks.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Card counting in casinos is nigh on impossible.

    6 Deck shoes
    Irregular shuffling
    Eye in the sky keeping tabs on what you're up to
    and finally... a burly looking Pit Boss.

    I'll just play by the book, thanks.

    Well our family friend who is the millionaire gambler has read 80+ books on it. So there is a way if there's a will.

    Let's just say it's my backup plan in case all else fails.
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    (Original post by Inclination)
    Online casinos? Wtf? C'mon, let's get real. I'm talking real casinos, like Vegas, Atlantic City, Reno.
    I guess you didn't know that you can play live online blackjack games streamed from Vegas with real dealers and shoe decks...

    get real.

    (Original post by Inclination)
    And I know millionaires who have no jobs who have learned the art of counting cards, in real casinos.
    "Mathematically, card counting is worthless for all intents and purposes. The permutations are staggering. Besides, there is more than one player at the table. What makes you believe you are the chosen one to benefit from a so-called positive count? Also, the counts come in streaks. At the beginning of the round, the count might be very positive. When the second cards are dealt, however, the count goes very negative!

    Card counting at blackjack makes money only for those who sell the systems, or books about card counting, or newsletters about counting cards. I know of several card-counting gurus who don't even play blackjack anymore! They only write about card counting at their websites. They also try to sell their card counting systems, or books, or newsletters, or videos, or software! Edward Thorp, the founder of card counting, is NOT a blackjack player! Ken Uston was a blackjack player. But he made his money from selling blackjack books and especially from a successful lawsuit against a casino. He also advertised for casinos and worked for a Kuwaiti business, instead of playing blackjack."

    The myth of blackjack: card counting; real math

    Your old friend may have been successful back in the days, but:

    The method had visible results when only one deck was used and very few cards remained in the deck. The casinos modified the rules dramatically. The “penetration” was introduced: not all the cards in the deck are played. Shuffling is done unexpectedly. Also, most casinos introduced the multiple deck blackjack. Card counting is now very similar to cult believing, like religious fundamentalism or UFO believing.
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    (Original post by Inclination)
    Well our family friend who is the millionaire gambler has read 80+ books on it. So there is a way if there's a will..
    :wtf?:

    (Original post by Inclination)
    Let's just say it's my backup plan in case all else fails.
    :hmmm:
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    (Original post by Zweig)
    :wtf?:



    :hmmm:

    Don't believe me? I'll tell you another reason why I know this: my uncle owns part of a casino in Vegas. (Hence, stockholder and is on the board.)
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    (Original post by Inclination)
    Don't believe me? I'll tell you another reason why I know this: my uncle owns part of a casino in Vegas. (Hence, stockholder and is on the board.)
    Your uncle makes money thanks to the sad muppets who try out there luck at his casino's. He of all people should not be coaxing you into entering the gambling business.

    I think the fact that I don't believe you is the least of your worries.

    Do you think you have discovered a secret system and that no one else knows about it? :confused: Do you think the casino's have never heard of Card-counting techniques? :confused: If you think that it is possible to earn a living playing blackjack then you are very naive.

    You cannot beat a casino unless you steal money from it.

    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Card counting in casinos is nigh on impossible.

    6 Deck shoes
    Irregular shuffling
    Eye in the sky keeping tabs on what you're up to
    and finally... a burly looking Pit Boss.

    I'll just play by the book, thanks.
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    Well, then i'm sure they're aware that it's not allowed in casinos and that casinos will throw out card counters and ban them from the casino.
    Err, i dont know if you know, but I know that that practice was only when the casinos were losing money to card coutners. Nowadays though they use other counter measures like shuffling more freuqently, a waddayamacall it in the cards that havent been dealt so that they arnt all used (in blackjack). This affects the odds but who knows how?since the cards that cant be dealt are random, the card counting effectiveness is reduced. In poker, professional poker, they shuffle after every hand. Card counters dont need to be kicked out, they are just as vulnerable as any other punter. Other countermeasures are in place for other games, naturally
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    inclination is quite the fantasist.
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    (Original post by Zweig)
    Your uncle makes money thanks to the sad muppets who try out there luck at his casino's. He of all people should not be coaxing you into entering the gambling business.
    Why not? It's profitable. His father bought part of the casino back in the 1950s when it was starting up. (Hence, not my blood-grandfather, because his mother is related to me.) He literally has $30 million dollars in assets, especially since he sold his IGT stock for $10 million.
    (Original post by zweig)

    I think the fact that I don't believe you is the least of your worries.
    Luckily I could care less what you believe.

    (Original post by zweig)

    Do you think you have discovered a secret system and that no one else knows about it? :confused: Do you think the casino's have never heard of Card-counting techniques? :confused: If you think that it is possible to earn a living playing blackjack then you are very naive.

    You cannot beat a casino unless you steal money from it.
    The expected value for gamblers is negative, so statistically you would lose, but yes, certain INDIVIDUALS do win. Hence, why people can hit the jackpot. Hence why my family friend literally earns her income through blackjack.
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    :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny:

    You are amazing!!! Typical American attitude.

    (Original post by Inclination)
    Why not? It's profitable. His father bought part of the casino back in the 1950s when it was starting up. (Hence, not my blood-grandfather, because his mother is related to me.) He literally has $30 million dollars in assets, especially since he sold his IGT stock for $10 million.
    Yes, I know. Your uncle makes a profit by owning part of a casino, not by gambling in the casino. Your uncle could own part of Microsoft for what it's worth - it's the same situation (a growing business). What does this have to do with the financial expectation of playing BlackJack. :confused: By all means, go and buy shares in the gambling industry (you would make money) but this is nothing to do with BlackJack... :confused:

    (Original post by Inclination)
    The expected value for gamblers is negative, so statistically you would lose, but yes, certain INDIVIDUALS do win. Hence, why people can hit the jackpot. Hence why my family friend literally earns her income through blackjack.
    "Hence, why people can hit the jackpot. Hence why my family friend literally earns her income through blackjack" :confused: A few lucky individuals may win the jackpot by playing slots, or progressive jackpots, or the national lottery, or premium bonds... but you cannot hit a jackpot by playing BlackJack!!!! So why do you say "hense"? :confused:

    Here's an idea - why not ask daddy for $3 million and live off the interest? How old are you by the way?

    I am now bored of arguing with your futile imagination :bebored:
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    (Original post by Zweig)
    You are amazing!!! Typical American attitude.
    No, it's not.
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    (Original post by psychic_satori)
    No, it's not.
    :rolleyes:

    sure.
    thanks for re-enforcing my views.
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    (Original post by Zweig)
    :rolleyes:

    sure.
    thanks for re-enforcing my views.
    Why on earth should it do that? His is not "the typical American attitude."
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    (Original post by Zweig)
    :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny: :rofl: :toofunny:

    You are amazing!!! Typical American attitude.
    Right, and what may that be?

    (Original post by zweig)

    Yes, I know. Your uncle makes a profit by owning part of a casino, not by gambling in the casino. Your uncle could own part of Microsoft for what it's worth - it's the same situation (a growing business). What does this have to do with the financial expectation of playing BlackJack. :confused: By all means, go and buy shares in the gambling industry (you would make money) but this is nothing to do with BlackJack... :confused:
    I'm insinuating that I know a bit about the casino business, and gambling, because my family is involved with it.

    (Original post by zweig)



    "Hence, why people can hit the jackpot. Hence why my family friend literally earns her income through blackjack" :confused: A few lucky individuals may win the jackpot by playing slots, or progressive jackpots, or the national lottery, or premium bonds... but you cannot hit a jackpot by playing BlackJack!!!! So why do you say "hense"? :confused:
    She made her income off blackjack. (And by your definition, how can premium bonds offer "jackpots" if blackjack can't?)

    (Original post by zweig)
    Here's an idea - why not ask daddy for $3 million and live off the interest?
    Right, I said my uncle owns part of it because his dad did. His dad is related to me through marriage. Since when is my uncle my father?

    And I'm actually attending university to make a living for myself. :rolleyes: Odd, isn't it?

    (Original post by zweig)
    How old are you by the way?
    19. Just finishing up my second year at Yale.

    (Original post by zweig)
    I am now bored of arguing with your futile imagination :bebored:
    Then stop asking me questions.
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    god.. if i had one of those id turn into an addicted and need servere help everybody wld turn into oranges or apples in 3's or 2's :-) hehe xxx
 
 
 
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