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People in poorer parts of Britain to be paid less

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Original post by Luxray
They do get paid more, well a teacher in London has a minimum of 27k whereas n Manchester its around 21k.


Exactly, and this is why the salary freeze makes perfect sense.
Reply 81
Original post by OSharp
so your saying that two wrongs make a right?

There's alot of differences, the very fact that they can be paid whatever the hell their employers want because they are in the private sector is Cardinal, many people chose to work for the public sector for this reason. I'm not compared to side up on this issue until the full picture is seen, though its true the private sector may earn less base pay its also entirely possible that overtime pay, bonuses and holidays are longer promotion prospects may also be better. Im not saying its right that Private sector workers get paid less I am saying that if two public sector workers do the same job they should get the same pay.


Most private sector workers employers are under pressure of having to compete in the market, often internationally so they can't afford to pay their employees what they like. I think you're thinking of CEOs which are also subject to market forces.

It's the public sector where salaries are inflated and often the jobs are meaningless like street football coordinator, tooth brushing officer all on c£30k. The labour party swelled the ranks of the public sector to look after their own ay the expense of the hard pressed private worker whos sky high taxes fund this waste.

As for holidays - with all due respect I don't think you're up on this subject. It is a widely known and accepted fact that state workers enjoy far higher holidays and perks, whileworking less hours, 5 fewer a week I think while being paid more!

If private workers get overtime pay it's because they've worked extra and deserve it, not sure why you would begrudge people getting paid for the work they've done.

In fact in the private sector you're often expected to work overtime without getting paid extra to keep you're job!
Reply 82
Original post by Left Hand Drive
Is property values the only justification you tories can dream up?


How's about a little acknowledged concept called fairness?

And so that the private sector, which generates the wealth to pay for these public sector perks, isn't being disadvantaged by articially high salaries to compete for staff with the public sector to reamin competitive.

The fact that the government is damaging private business in a recession where we need the private sector to grow us out of this mess is an outrage and should have been outlawed years ago.

That good enough for you?! Now please give me 1, just 1 good reason why the immoral status quo you support is just?
Reply 83
Original post by minimarshmallow
One of my uncles was talking about this in response to healthcare earlier.
People who've been through years of education to become a doctor will find that their qualifications will be worth more down south and in big cities, so they're all going to apply for those jobs in order to get more money. Therefore the competition goes up in those areas, and all the best doctors are in the big cities.
So those in rural areas get the ones that aren't as good, don't have as much experience etc. and therefore places that are already disadvantaged because they're cut off from the big cities get even more disadvantaged because when they need to see a doctor (and some rural areas often only have one doctor in the area) they see a doctor who is not as good at their job and doesn't have as much experience as someone in a big city will be able to see.


No they won't! They will have exactly the same amount of disposable income in real terms due to the cost of living being different.

I don't think doctors are that stupid to think they're going to be better off just because they have a higher figure on their wage slip if the cost of living wipes out the extra cash.

They will all get the same in real terms!

This is a left wing scare tactic by the unions and greedy public sector workers who don't want an overly generous loophole to be closed and have to be subject to the same pressures as those hard pressed private workers who must pay for them.
Reply 84
Original post by scriggy
Yes, becasue it's extremely fair to take yet more money from the countries weak and fragile local economies and leave the more robust and healthy areas untouched. :yy:




We do need the private sector to get us out of this mess, but it's extremely fanciful to suggest that slashing public sector pay will somehow galvanise the private sector. There's no need in the current climate for businesses to match public sector pay anyway. There's scores of unemployed people out there atm who would take you're hand off for a job working for peanuts, regardless of whether they could have gotten more in the public sector.



I take your point, but why is it seen that public sector wages are too high and not that private sector wages are too low? We're getting into a "race towards the bottom" scenario which is pretty sad to be honest.

I see so you're argument is "pay us more money; we will ultimately spend it in the area so we're doing you a favour" Oh well, thank you very much! So kind of you to spend your wages rather than just shoplifting. If you gave me million quid, I'd promise to spend every penny in a particular area to do the local economy a favour but I don't think that's fair do you?

This artificially high wages are taking "yet more money from the countries weak and fragile local economies" because they damage those economies and disadvantage commoercial business which is the only thing that generates wealth! Don't you get this?

I take it you are state employed?

Not this 'race to th bottom' nonsense again. It's rubbish and just a defense of state workers not to fall in line with everyone else.

Private business funds the public sector and to prosper it is subject to global market forces where it can only bear certain salaries otherwise it is uncompetitive and can't survive. Would you pay £2 for a tin of baked beans just to support the higher wages of the staff? No, you'd go for the cheap ones and the firm would go under.

Do you think if a business offered the same pay, pension, flexitime and holidays as the public sector it could survive?! It would be bust in a month! Then no money to pay for the public sector! Everyone suffers.

Why should the part of the economy funded by the other who is subject to these pressures be immune from them. That is immoral and unfair. Any opposition is just selfish greed.
Reply 85
Original post by gagaslilmonsteruk
It makes me angry. The conservatives are nothing but selfish people who only love themselves. Churchill would be disgusted if he saw what his party has become. Labour on the other hand, I cannot wait to see back in power.


It's precisely because labour wrecked the economy that the tories are having to do this. Yet you want them back?! Why so the tories have to make more decisions like this because of labours actions?
Reply 86
Makes perfect sense to me, a bloated public sector is bad for any economy.
Original post by DanRBlake
How's about a little acknowledged concept called fairness?

And so that the private sector, which generates the wealth to pay for these public sector perks, isn't being disadvantaged by articially high salaries to compete for staff with the public sector to reamin competitive.

The fact that the government is damaging private business in a recession where we need the private sector to grow us out of this mess is an outrage and should have been outlawed years ago.

That good enough for you?! Now please give me 1, just 1 good reason why the immoral status quo you support is just?


Although cars, food, petrol, gas, electricity are all the same prices everywhere. The private sector wants to pay its employees as little as possible.
Reply 88
Original post by Left Hand Drive
Although cars, food, petrol, gas, electricity are all the same prices everywhere. The private sector wants to pay its employees as little as possible.

This is the kind of blinkered nonsense that defines socialist thinking. It is unquestionable fact that the cost of living is much greater in London than in Manchester, especially the cost of travel and rent(which is what constitutes most of the average household expenditure).
Instead of people sending money back to Poland or whatever, people will be working in London and sending the money back to Stoke-on-Trent etc. Although I sure this has been going on before - my dad is a public sector manager and because it is so difficult to get those types of jobs he works in London a lot simply because they have more councils, therefore more jobs. However, his wages are always higher in the London jobs.

New graduates aren't going to want to stay in northern home/uni towns when they can be paid more money to live in a nicer area. One of the advantages of staying in the north/midlands is that it is cheaper, but there is a reason it is cheaper! A lot of the towns are deteriorating and sending out the graduates is not going to help.
Reply 90
Original post by Left Hand Drive
Although cars, food, petrol, gas, electricity are all the same prices everywhere. The private sector wants to pay its employees as little as possible.


Rubbish. They just don't want them to be paid more than the people who have to pay for them who are working much harder for less.

Not to is immoral wouldn't you agree?
I only see this as an advantage tbh, by regionalising public sector wages this will just reduce the budget deficit. If i was the government however i would not simply leave it like that, perhaps increased investment in education especially vocational courses in such areas would attract MNE's to the area and hopefully lead to an upward multiplier effect.

However anyone who gets there knickers in a twist over George Osborne 50p tax cut just hurts my faith in humanity

Magz 4 lyf
I'd just like to say that Daily Mail article is complete bull****.
£30k a year in Liverpool I could have a swish holiday once a year, good size city centre riverside apartment in a safe area (next to merseyside police HQ is about as safe as it gets. There are **** loads of police there and criminals know better), decent car and comfortable living.

Wonder whether you can get that for £30k in the south east.

I doubt this would go through in any drastic way. It's really politically sensitive and the conservatives didn't exactly win on a landslide...
Reply 94
How many of you here is are from a poorer area or the north where I live!, the cost of living is much lower than just about anywhere south of Birmingham.
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Reply 95
Original post by Llamageddon
£30k a year in Liverpool I could have a swish holiday once a year, good size city centre riverside apartment in a safe area (next to merseyside police HQ is about as safe as it gets. There are **** loads of police there and criminals know better), decent car and comfortable living.

Wonder whether you can get that for £30k in the south east.

I doubt this would go through in any drastic way. It's really politically sensitive and the conservatives didn't exactly win on a landslide...


Liverpool has a favourable crime rate compared to London, Manchester, Birmingham, Nottingham etc

Shameful stereotyping in my opinion, it's a great city.
Reply 96
Original post by minimarshmallow
One of my uncles was talking about this in response to healthcare earlier.
People who've been through years of education to become a doctor will find that their qualifications will be worth more down south and in big cities, so they're all going to apply for those jobs in order to get more money. Therefore the competition goes up in those areas, and all the best doctors are in the big cities.
So those in rural areas get the ones that aren't as good, don't have as much experience etc. and therefore places that are already disadvantaged because they're cut off from the big cities get even more disadvantaged because when they need to see a doctor (and some rural areas often only have one doctor in the area) they see a doctor who is not as good at their job and doesn't have as much experience as someone in a big city will be able to see.


But the situation as it now is that your money goes further in Northern/rural areas rather than in cities, so by your logic all the best doctors should currently be up North and all the inexperienced doctors should be down South. That clearly isn't the case.
Makes perfect sense.
I would just like to say,if it hasn't already that the amount someone gets on welfare benefits should vary by cost of living in a region. That should be done in the interests of fairness. If fact I would be far more radical, I would get rid of the department of works and pensions, and sack all the civil servants. Then localise welfare giving taxpayers money to the regions. It would be far easier to for instance keep an eye an welfare claimants. I think every person claiming any out of work benefit or in social housing should get a yearly home visit to check they are telling the truth. Lets also stop any immigrant from claiming benefits until they have paid taxes for 5 years.

I like some of the tories ideas, but they are just not going far enough. Government should be massively slashed.
I live in the rural northern scotland where private sector wages are lower than the average but prices more expensive. Therefore the response that poorer areas have lower living expenses and therefore wage reductions are fair just does not wash!

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