The Student Room Group

Scroll to see replies

Original post by Kalb
Koran 9.30 and 98.6


[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

and
[98.6] Surely those who disbelieve (after the Clear Evidence has come to them) –from among the People of the Book and from among the polytheists– will be in the fire of Hell a seed of which unbelief bears, abiding therein. They are the worst of creatures.



These verses says nothing about Muslims being the only ones that are innocent
Reply 181
Original post by de_monies
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

and
[98.6] Surely those who disbelieve (after the Clear Evidence has come to them) –from among the People of the Book and from among the polytheists– will be in the fire of Hell a seed of which unbelief bears, abiding therein. They are the worst of creatures.



These verses says nothing about Muslims being the only ones that are innocent
you are right, not the exact word " innocent". I dont think allah considers them innocent though, when they ought to be destroyed:frown:
Original post by James10000
Surprised a thread has not already started on this topic


No no just like anders brevik this man is a psychopath,
Original post by Indo-Chinese Food
Not really, it makes perfect sense- if you are combating islamic terrorism, you target muslims travelling to places that harbour terrorrist traning and ideological doctrine.
What would be the point surveilling jewish and buddhist people to restrict islamic terrorism:confused:


When we had Irish/Catholic terrorism, did we target ever Catholic or Irish person? If you wish to combat terrorism, then why not get to the root cause (instead of doing things that will lead to more terrorism :angry::angry:)

[video="youtube;5tEsWRXV_BM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tEsWRXV_BM[/video]

Not only that, but the majority of terrorists aren't Muslim
Original post by Kalb
you are right, not the exact word " innocent". I dont think allah considers them innocent though, when they ought to be destroyed:frown:


ie: referring to hell fire, for non believers. All religions do this. It says absolutely nothing about Muslims being the only "innocents" Also, Muslims believe that all people can go to hell, regardless of your belief, and some Muslims believe that Christians and Jews can go to heaven as well (being people of the book)
Original post by de_monies
When we had Irish/Catholic terrorism, did we target ever Catholic or Irish person? If you wish to combat terrorism, then why not get to the root cause (instead of doing things that will lead to more terrorism :angry::angry:)



Of course irish catholics were targetted and tracked in the hey dey of the ira - but clearly the technology of surviellance was fairly low tech back then and far more sophisticated now - people like the cia can remotely access computers and listen to mobile phone calls nowadays.

the root cause of islamic terroism is islam and the quotes in quran and hadeeth about killing apostates and kuffr - which are often quoted in al-queada videos, which guillable muslims in the west down load off the internet. We cant shut down the internet, but we can surveil those that participate.
Reply 186
Original post by Kalb
you are right, not the exact word " innocent". I dont think allah considers them innocent though, when they ought to be destroyed:frown:


:facepalm2:

Did you just make up some verse numbers and hoped no-one would check? Did you think you'd sign up with an Arabic sounding username to make us all think you're some sort of in-the-know inside man on Islam? What a failure. :lol:
Reply 187
Original post by de_monies
ie: referring to hell fire, for non believers. All religions do this.

Cool.
:rolleyes:
Reply 188
Original post by Indo-Chinese Food
Of course irish catholics were targetted and tracked in the hey dey of the ira - but clearly the technology of surviellance was fairly low tech back then and far more sophisticated now - people like the cia can remotely access computers and listen to mobile phone calls nowadays.

the root cause of islamic terroism is islam and the quotes in quran and hadeeth about killing apostates and kuffr - which are often quoted in al-queada videos, which guillable muslims in the west down load off the internet. We cant shut down the internet, but we can surveil those that participate.


Or, you could look inwards and sort your own foreign policy out. Here's one for starters: if you believe the Saudis are responsible for the majority of financing of Islamic terrorism, why does our government and the US still maintain such a close relationship with them, politically, militarily and economically?
Original post by nosaer
Or, you could look inwards and sort your own foreign policy out. Here's one for starters: if you believe the Saudis are responsible for the majority of financing of Islamic terrorism, why does our government and the US still maintain such a close relationship with them, politically, militarily and economically?


I didnt say saudi were funding majority of islamic terroism. In fact the saudi royal family themselves have nothing to do with it. but various muslim charities as well as wealthy religious groups in saudi (amoung other places ), fund terrorism accross the world- interpol has demonstrated this. And yet muslims btich about US interference in thier countires, but not saudi interference- why i wonder

our foreign policy is defined by islamic terorism, afganistan is being bombed the inside out becuase it supported islamic terrorists, pakistan i would think is next although in co-operation with paksitani government. The USA dont have a cold war enemy anymore - islamists have put themselves forward as the self proclaimed enemy of the West.
if there was no islamic terrorism ( scratch that - if it had stayed localised to the middle east/israel as it was from the 30s-now) we wouldnt be invading muslims countries today.
Muslims died as well as Jews remember.

Hopefully the Arab community in France will give their full cooperation to the authorities to help root out terrorism.
Original post by TheHansa
Muslims died as well as Jews remember.
.


Muslims that were members of the french army were executed (unarmed i would add) as well as 3 small children.


Original post by TheHansa
Hopefully the Arab community in France will give their full cooperation to the authorities to help root out terrorism.


Dont hold your breath

The french have his brother and mother in custody, so thats the avenue the will be pressing.
Reply 192
Original post by Indo-Chinese Food
I didnt say saudi were funding majority of islamic terroism. In fact the saudi royal family themselves have nothing to do with it. but various muslim charities as well as wealthy religious groups in saudi (amoung other places ), fund terrorism accross the world- interpol has demonstrated this. And yet muslims btich about US interference in thier countires, but not saudi interference- why i wonder


So you have no problem with Saudi state funded religious programmes across the world, including but not limited to funding the building of mosques and religious schools?

And what saudi interference?

our foreign policy is defined by islamic terorism, afganistan is being bombed the inside out becuase it supported islamic terrorists, pakistan i would think is next although in co-operation with paksitani government. The USA dont have a cold war enemy anymore - islamists have put themselves forward as the self proclaimed enemy of the West.
if there was no islamic terrorism ( scratch that - if it had stayed localised to the middle east/israel as it was from the 30s-now) we wouldnt be invading muslims countries today.


Other than Iraq, Libya, and likely Iran, no Im sure the west could keep its interventionist policy to itself.
Reply 193
Original post by soufyaan
I don't understand why people like him, do everything in the name of Islam.

Doing these kind of atrocious acts in the name of Islam simply creates a negative image of Islam. Those who claim to take the lives of others for the sake of God clearly have not understood what Islam is about or how God wants them to act.
Reply 194
Original post by de_monies
ie: referring to hell fire, for non believers. All religions do this. It says absolutely nothing about Muslims being the only "innocents" Also, Muslims believe that all people can go to hell, regardless of your belief, and some Muslims believe that Christians and Jews can go to heaven as well (being people of the book)


Muslims believe in the old testament of the Bible and the Torah (the parts that have not been changed over time) hence this is why they believe it is possible for them to go to heaven. Also, muslims believe that non-muslims can go to heaven, it is those who know what Islam is (not the way it is portrayed in the media) and then reject it that go to hell (although in the Qur'an it says that it is only for Allah, God to judge who goes where in the hereafter)
Original post by nosaer
So you have no problem with Saudi state funded religious programmes across the world, including but not limited to funding the building of mosques and religious schools?

And what saudi interference? .



Funding of mosques here and elswhere, wehre fundamentlaists give sermonsa nd various hate-mongering literature has been seized by police tellin gmulsims to vilently target non muslims. There have been numerous expose rpograms about these mosques, most of whom have been funded by religious concerns in saudi. they are simply trying to spread their influence and ideology accross the world, no different to what the US do.

Saudi controls various satellites in the region like bahrain and previously iraq, before saddam got taken out. in response their enemies iran have satellites like lebanon and syria.


Original post by nosaer

Other than Iraq, Libya, and likely Iran, no Im sure the west could keep its interventionist policy to itself.


interventionist policy also includes humanitarian causes - where as arab states sat back regarding the killings saddam and gaddaffi undertook, they happened to annoy the west enough to invade (eventually). I dont see your problem with this. Im off to the gym now but when i get back can educate you on the principle of internatioanal politics and allies and non -allies if you like. None of that has anything to do with this subject -iislamic terrorism.
Original post by Indo-Chinese Food

the root cause of islamic terroism is islam and the quotes in quran and hadeeth about killing apostates and kuffr - which are often quoted in al-queada videos, which guillable muslims in the west down load off the internet. We cant shut down the internet, but we can surveil those that participate.


Im just really surprised that you managed to watch 28 minutes and 20 seconds of video, in around 2 minutes. You obviously don't want to accept any thing else, apart from your own views
Reply 197
In america, merrah was registered as terrorist and on a no fly zone. Yet in europe he was free and could do what he has done.
Original post by darkshadow1111


There is no problem with the religion of islam.Our religions does not teach us to kill innocent people
the main problem lies in the definition of who is innocent and who isn't
Original post by Kalb
In america, merrah was registered as terrorist and on a no fly zone. Yet in europe he was free and could do what he has done.
it's obvious to anyone that monitoring of "jihadist" websites and shady imams/masjids will be stepped up

is this logical and justified ?

of course it is. Where should you look for jihadi terrorists ? among Scientologists ?

Latest

Trending

Trending