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Look on the bright side, atleast Muslims aren't having a facebook frenzy over it, unlike some people when they hear Palastinian children getting killed -



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And some food for thought -


[INDENT]"Sven Lindqvist points out that the earliest humane rules related to warfare are to be found in Abu Hanifa’s formulations in the 7th century. Lindqvist writes:

"It was Abu Hanifa, a leading legal expert of Persian origin, the founder of a school of law in Baghdad, who first forbade the killing of women, children, the elderly, the sick, monks and other non-combatants. He also condemned rape and the killing of captives.… A legal expert in Baghdad, [he] attempted to make war more humane by setting forth rules that were not accepted in Europe until several centuries later—rules that were still not accepted, in any case not practiced, when colored people were involved. [Sven Lindqvist, A History of Bombing (New York: The New Press, 2000), 9.]"

In fact, it was Abu Hanifa who first codified these rules in a legal system, but all of the rules were taken from injunctions given by the Prophet Muhammad himself."[/INDENT]
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Original post by Indo-Chinese Food
Probably highights this issue for the french and many other countries tracking muslims that visit pakistan and will probably end up in them all coming under heavy surveillance from this day on.


Apart from that being illegal, as far as international law is concerned, it'd create more terrorism when people know that Muslims and Muslims only Muslims are coming under heavy surveillance just for visiting a country
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Original post by darkshadow1111
Islam does not condone the killing of innocent people so i dont understand how you can make sucha stupid statement like that. It is the individual who claims who is acting in islams name who is at fault. Imagine i say that ive killed some people in the name of christianity or another religion even if that religion teaches against my actions. whose fault is it the religion or the individual??. Any logical person would say its the individual but in this case its the religions fault. Use your brain.


Just to clarify, in islam only Muslims are innocent. Its at least 6 times in koran that non-muslims should be killed.
Original post by Koobideh
People should stop making excuses for Muslims. Just accept that Muslim communities are more likely to engage in extreme behaviour, attacking minorities and terrorism, and then try to work on this problem. What is the point in trying to deny that the Muslim communities across the world have severe social problems? I wish most Muslims, especially modern and educated Muslims, would just accept there is a problem and try to address the problem instead of trying to make excuses.
exactly

If you resort to denial and excuses, you will never tackle the real issues
Original post by Kalb
Just to clarify, in islam only Muslims are innocent. Its at least 6 times in koran that non-muslims should be killed.
this is a bit sketchy... however:

a Muslim is not expected to believe a Kaafir's (non_Muslim's) word over the one of a Muslim

a Muslim is expected to make 60 (or something like that) excuses for his Muslim brother, before condemning his behaviour

no such leniency for those dreadful Kuffar (non-Muslims)
Original post by Kalb
Nah, it was actually muslims on jihad forum claiming responsibility for the attacks in norway


A random Muslim jihad forum claiming responsibility is enough to make you believe Muslims are responsible? :confused:

How smart must you be.
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Original post by Koobideh
People should stop making excuses for Muslims. Just accept that Muslim communities are more likely to engage in extreme behaviour, attacking minorities and terrorism, and then try to work on this problem. What is the point in trying to deny that the Muslim communities across the world have severe social problems? I wish most Muslims, especially modern and educated Muslims, would just accept there is a problem and try to address the problem instead of trying to make excuses.


OK, lets flip it around. Should the cristian community accept they are more likely to mollest little children??.

There is no problem with the religion of islam.Our religions does not teache us to kill innocent poeple nor does it teach us to be terrorists.
The problem lies with certain individuals who try to commit these sins in the name of islam.
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Original post by Perseveranze
A random Muslim jihad forum claiming responsibility is enough to make you believe Muslims are responsible? :confused:

You must get far in life.


No, but to claim poor muslims are always targeted by evil western media in case of an attack is slightly hypocrite when muslims themselves are celabrating and claiming the attack.
Original post by Kalb
Just to clarify, in islam only Muslims are innocent. Its at least 6 times in koran that non-muslims should be killed.


Who said that only muslims are innocent?
Can you make refernce to the exact parts of the quran??
Original post by Perseveranze
as soon as it was found the guy's "muslim" the Islamophobic bandwagon immediatly starts. :smile:
instead of criticizing Pastafarianism, as would have been much more logical
Original post by de_monies
Apart from that being illegal, as far as international law is concerned, it'd create more terrorism when people know that Muslims and Muslims only Muslims are coming under heavy surveillance just for visiting a country



surveilling people under anti -terrorism laws is not illegal, i think youll find. The fact that muslims visiting paksitan may be deemd as high risk targets would justify that process, particularly when we know numerous terrorist attacks accross the world can be traced back operationally in some way to pakistan.
finacially its likley most of the links come from saudi.
Original post by Kalb
No, but to claim poor muslims are always targeted by evil western media in case of an attack is slightly hypocrite when muslims themselves are celabrating and claiming the attack.


People claim things everyday, doesn't make it true.

And I think I already proved to you the media has a bias. Al Jazeera isn't the only one that wrote that article, just google "oslo bombings media blame muslims" and you'll find results from plenty of sources.

As someone once said; "Muslims are the new blacks".
Original post by Perseveranze




As someone once said; "Muslims are the new blacks".



Are you trying to suggest muslims are not black?
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Original post by darkshadow1111
Who said that only muslims are innocent?
Can you make refernce to the exact parts of the quran??


Koran 9.30 and 98.6
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Original post by Perseveranze
People claim things everyday, doesn't make it true".


Im not saying it was true or false, i merely pointed out that musli,s,s claimed the attack, and therefor its hypocrite to blame western media when they suggest an attack may have been carried out by moslems.:smile:
Original post by Indo-Chinese Food
surveilling people under anti -terrorism laws is not illegal, i think youll find. The fact that muslims visiting paksitan may be deemd as high risk targets would justify that process, particularly when we know numerous terrorist attacks accross the world can be traced back operationally in some way to pakistan.
finacially its likley most of the links come from saudi.


Yeah, surveillance on a person or a couple of people, or may be 10 people in a group, but having surveillance on every person of an entire religion would be illegal - especially considering that it's not Muslims that make up the majority of terror attacks (Just the ones that make it in to the news)
Original post by darkshadow1111

The problem lies with certain individuals who try to commit these sins in the name of islam.
the problem is not only with individuals

it's with a social environment and a community

this guy did not fall down from the sky : he was radicalized by a jihadist environment : he was persuaded by rabid preachers that Jews and traitors must be eliminated, he immersed himself in this entire "jihadist" folklore of beheadings, blood, glorious Islamic fighters going off in the sunset to the sound of nasheeds (a-capella singing)

his community tolerated him. Denouncing your Muslim "brother" to the "kaafir" police is still seen as a capital crime by many (too many) Muslims, and this is how such things happen
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Original post by de_monies
Yeah, surveillance on a person or a couple of people, or may be 10 people in a group, but having surveillance on every person of an entire religion would be illegal - especially considering that it's not Muslims that make up the majority of terror attacks (Just the ones that make it in to the news)


Not really, it makes perfect sense- if you are combating islamic terrorism, you target muslims travelling to places that harbour terrorrist traning and ideological doctrine.
What would be the point surveilling jewish and buddhist people to restrict islamic terrorism:confused:
Original post by Kalb
Koran 9.30 and 98.6


9.30:"...may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away" This is a prayer for allah to destroy those those who spread lies about god.
98.6:"Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men." Does not every religion teach that those of whome who do not follow thier religion will go to hell?? Yes they do.

Doesnt christianity also instruct to kill the disbelievers:

Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
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Original post by darkshadow1111
Does not every religion teach that those of whome who do not follow thier religion will go to hell?? Yes they do.


They dont , actually:cool:. But even if they did, that makes it right in your opinion, apparently.

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