(Original post by Jonjitsu)
Takedown defence = grappling. You don't learn a sprawl in kickboxing.
The strikers you are talking about have backgrounds in grappling. Major takedown defenders like Liddell all have done wrestling and are solid groundfighters should they be taken down (which is an inevitability judging by how many top wrestlers there are now).
But my statement for grappling > striking is based on the fact that if you took a pure grappler i.e. a submission wrestler and pitted him against a pure striker i.e. Kickboxer.. the grappler is going to win. Even if they both crosstrained the likelihood is the fight will go to the ground due to the grappler's experience in taking down other trained grapplers (a lot harder than taking down someone who has learned primarily striking where no one is trying to throw you).. and when that happens, well you know..
I dont no, you see alot of BJJ guys whos takedowns mainly come from clinch, clinch up with muay thai guys which can be a big mistake. In real life circumstances, when people are in town and drinking, grappling goes out the window. In the world of MMA, grappling is more important but I think its less so in self defence ways. Now dont get me wrong, I love grappling and I do submission wrestling classes 3x a week and mma 1x a week. But if I was in a bar fight, i'd be more reluctant to be swinging for the fences rather than pulling guard or taking them down.
Grappling is certainly important but I personally believe its equally as important as striking rather than more important. Personally if I wanted real self defence IN DA STREETZ then I'd find something like boxing/muay thai to be more useful than grappling.
You may be right in the fact alot of grapplers might be able to take down people with no grappling experience down, but In real life your less reluctant to be taking people down, and in the world of MMA most strikers will still have aspects of grappling in their head.
Thats why I think grappling is as important as striking and its probably why MMA classes are becoming largely more popular as to say how they were 5 years ago.
I personally prefer rollin with people than doing some stand up sparring but you cant neglect either arts tbh, especially in todays MMA.