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Central St Martins or Falmouth for art foundation?

I just got a conditional offer from CSM, and hadn't really expected to get it. I've already accepted my Falmouth offer but I am completley torn between the two! I like both courses and locations for different reasons, but there are disadvantages to both as well such as the distance Falmouth is away form places like London, and also I have heard negative things about CSM with regards to facilities, tutor input and the competativeness and pressure of the course. I was wondering if anyone had experience of either course that could help me to find out more about what it will actuall be like to study there rather than all of this rumour I seem to be getting from course tutors (someone at falmouth actually warned me about the CSM course).

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Reply 1

I applied for Brighton, CSM, Kingston, Falmouth and Leeds Met to study BA Graphic Design. I sent an online portfolio to CSM, Kingston and Brighton and received unsuccessful from all of them. It was super gutting.
Had my interview for Falmouth yesterday and am waiting to hear back. I'm pretty torn as to whether i'll accept the offer (if i get one) or if I will try and wait til next year to reapply again.
Falmouth is a pretty town, pretty poor for nightlife though (there was only 2 or 3 clubs i saw), it has good teaching, reasonable facilities (Woodlane Campus) and it has a great reputation. But whether it's reputation exceeds that of CSM i'm not so sure.
Falmouth is the only choice i have left so i'm kinda stuck. Not sure why i have got only a couple of interviews :frown:
Do you have a link to the online portfolio that you submitted? I'd like to see! :biggrin:

Reply 2

I didn;t submit an online portfolio, I had to take my A1 folder to my Interviews. I only got portfolio reviews at Falmouth and CSM, I applied for the Kingston Foundation Course but the rejected me based on a pretty poor online portfolio which I've since deleted. I think online portfolios are really risky becuase all of my work looked terrible online, and I did much better in the interviews when my work was physically there. I do love Falmouth, its such a culte little place haha my cousin studies film there so I've stayed with her. I just worry that its so out of the way and that I might enjoy London better. But Falmouth smells so good haha Fresh air!

Reply 3

If you prefer the Falmouth course, I'd go for it. The nightlife's not great, true, but there are lots of little pubs etc, and loads of open mic nights. There's a direct train from Truro to London most days at least, so you can get to Londonr reasonably easily. Plus it's gorgeous down in Cornwall!

Reply 4

I like both courses equally haha This is such a dillemma!

Reply 5

Oh right! I was pretty confused with all my unsuccessful applications. The two interviews i got were ones i didn't submit an online portfolio to, and then when i went to the actual interviews they told me my physical portfolio was really nice. I think so much of it just down to luck at the end of the day.

Reply 6

Hey, I am currently on the foundation at Falmouth if you have any questions about it.

I'd obviously say choose Falmouth. I've had, literally, the best year of my life here!
I can't fault the course in any way and I would recommend it to everyone!

Reply 7

Original post by 12Sparrow21
I just got a conditional offer from CSM, and hadn't really expected to get it. I've already accepted my Falmouth offer but I am completley torn between the two! I like both courses and locations for different reasons, but there are disadvantages to both as well such as the distance Falmouth is away form places like London, and also I have heard negative things about CSM with regards to facilities, tutor input and the competativeness and pressure of the course. I was wondering if anyone had experience of either course that could help me to find out more about what it will actuall be like to study there rather than all of this rumour I seem to be getting from course tutors (someone at falmouth actually warned me about the CSM course).


Hi 12Sparrow21,

I am currently in exactly the same situation! I too wasn't expecting a place from CSM so accepted my offer from Falmouth, then earlier this week I had an e-mail offering me a place from CSM. I am moving towards Falmouth because they seem really supportive and when talking to my graphics teacher (his son is at CSM now) he said the foundation was really bad there with hardly any help and far too much freedom for a foundation. I guess it depends what is more important to you and whether you know where you want to go for your degree. I know usually people go to the London colleges foundations because they know already they want to do their degrees at one of those colleges. I got the impression Falmouth encouraged you to go where is suited to the you and when I talked to a student who's there now she said they where really great at giving advice about which unis will be right for the individual so maybe if you know you want to go to CSM for degree it might be a good idea to go there because it is probably a lot harder to get in for a degree!

Reply 8

Yeah, there is a major advantage in going to a london college to do a foundation in tems of studying there for a degree. Atm I don't know what I want to do after foundation (kinda why I'm doing the foundation) its could end up being english or art history! I'm leaning towards CSM right now becasue id be closer to art gallerys/ museums and I feel like the course would challenge me to grow and develop. The Falmouth course seems lovely and supportive, but when I think about it, the real world/ degeree courses won't be like that... Its so difficult because my teacher totally scared me off CSM by saying it "wouldn't suit me" but my teacher does not know me personally. Also in our A-level classes we don't always get huge amouts of time or support because other needy students take it all! So I don't know if the CSM course would be as much of a change... But I'm going to think a little more first. Lemme know how it goes!

Reply 9

Original post by 12Sparrow21
Yeah, there is a major advantage in going to a london college to do a foundation in tems of studying there for a degree. Atm I don't know what I want to do after foundation (kinda why I'm doing the foundation) its could end up being english or art history! I'm leaning towards CSM right now becasue id be closer to art gallerys/ museums and I feel like the course would challenge me to grow and develop. The Falmouth course seems lovely and supportive, but when I think about it, the real world/ degeree courses won't be like that... Its so difficult because my teacher totally scared me off CSM by saying it "wouldn't suit me" but my teacher does not know me personally. Also in our A-level classes we don't always get huge amouts of time or support because other needy students take it all! So I don't know if the CSM course would be as much of a change... But I'm going to think a little more first. Lemme know how it goes!


Well it sounds like your liking the sound of London! I know what you mean because I honestly don't want to be too comfortable as I feel challenges will make my work better and me stronger. Its such a hard choice because it determines what we do for our degree! Yeah Falmouth does sound supportive but I talked to a girl from my college that is there now and she said after the workshops they could work wherever and were expected to get on with it and everywhere will probably be like that. A major thing that I questioned about CSM is their structure because we would go in 3 days a week 10:30-4:00 and at Falmouth 5 days 9:00-5:00 (I'm guessing thats just the workshop stages though) but it honestly depends how much freedom you want and whats more important for you!
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Reply 10

So Falmouth foundation is easier to get in ? I'm surprise I thought that CSM is easy to get in due to the number of their intake ??

Reply 11

Original post by my-mild-mind
So Falmouth foundation is easier to get in ? I'm surprise I thought that CSM is easy to get in due to the number of their intake ??


I do actually think Falmouth and Central St Martin's are both incredibly prestigious art colleges are therefore will be really difficult to get into but anywhere with a good reputation is going to want the people they think have the most potential. I got into CSM but declined their offer because I felt their course really was not right for me now.

I think sometimes one is drawn to the reputation without knowing the facts and the real information about the course. I also think in my future I don't want to rely on the place where I went to be important and for people to remember me by where I went, I want my work to be the thing they remember.

I do think both processes are extremely tough because of the tasks they ask and it's hard to interpret what they want. For instance, CSM want just your portfolio, I saw people carrying 7+ sketchbooks as there is no limit but due to the vast number of portfolio's they need to look through they might not have enough time to look through everything in detail, so the portfolio needs to be striking and memorable. Whilst Falmouth have a 4 hour interview process, at the same time other staff look through the portfolio's. They have both given me extremely good experience.
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Reply 12

Original post by Sbuzz1
Hey, I am currently on the foundation at Falmouth if you have any questions about it.

I'd obviously say choose Falmouth. I've had, literally, the best year of my life here!
I can't fault the course in any way and I would recommend it to everyone!


Hi I am going to Falmouth for the Foundation this September, I wanted to ask you a few questions... I wanted to know your relationship with your tutors and how often you get with them and if its easy to contact them. Also are you all guided to apply to uni or can you do it if you feel ready and ask them to help? I also wanted to ask about what tools and equipment you'd recommend taking? Thanks :smile:

Reply 13

Original post by 12Sparrow21
Yeah, there is a major advantage in going to a london college to do a foundation in tems of studying there for a degree. Atm I don't know what I want to do after foundation (kinda why I'm doing the foundation) its could end up being english or art history! I'm leaning towards CSM right now becasue id be closer to art gallerys/ museums and I feel like the course would challenge me to grow and develop. The Falmouth course seems lovely and supportive, but when I think about it, the real world/ degeree courses won't be like that... Its so difficult because my teacher totally scared me off CSM by saying it "wouldn't suit me" but my teacher does not know me personally. Also in our A-level classes we don't always get huge amouts of time or support because other needy students take it all! So I don't know if the CSM course would be as much of a change... But I'm going to think a little more first. Lemme know how it goes!


I am at Falmouth foundation and there has been a new course leader as of this year. My year has been overwhelmingly successful in places that they are ending up. I myself am going to kingston, my top choice. My flatmates alone are going to CSM (fashion design), two are going to camberwell (fine art) and one has decided to stay (textiles). Others are going to great art institutes such as Glasgow, Edinburgh, Oxford, Goldsmiths, London college of fashion, any many more. What I'm trying to say is, don't be scared off because you don't want to study your degree there. The tutors are sosososo supportive and they will stop at nothing to get you into the place that you want to go!

Living in falmouth has taught me a lot of life lessons that London would not.
London would also teach me life lessons and the reputation of the courses is unmistakable- (I am studying my degree there -a hard choice from moving out of falmouth though!)
But I would never ever trade my foundation in Falmouth for one in London!
I stongly believe Falmouth has the best foundation in the country! (because of the great facilities, beautiful location offering a relaxing yet extremely productive and successful year before a degree, the great amount of tutor support and student support alike and the selling factor- you live with fellow art and design students and are constantly bouncing ideas off each other and discussing theories!)
But obviously I'm biased in saying all of this!

Let me know if you have any questions!

Reply 14

Hello,
Im a current student and I have a blog with some posts about interviewing and about the school etc... If you wanna have a look, any posts from November 2010 to present are mostly about CSM. www.heatherbroomhall.com.

I loved Foundation year at CSM and you do have more freedom at CSM but you will also get all the help you need. keep in mind it is art & design foundation and it truly is no matter what you are studying there. if you got into CSM then you should be quite proud because many many people are turned down. However with all that said, CSM isnt for everyone. But i do know for a fact that Uni's will offer csm foundation students interviews for BA's many times without all the pre-interview requirements. everyone i know from foundation year got into at least the top 3 colleges for whatever they applied for Ba year. so you might consider taking foundation at csm and then moving on to another college for BA.

Reply 15

Hi I am going to Falmouth for the Foundation this September, I wanted to ask you a few questions... I wanted to know your relationship with your tutors and how often you get with them and if its easy to contact them. Also are you all guided to apply to uni or can you do it if you feel ready and ask them to help? I also wanted to ask about what tools and equipment you'd recommend taking? Thanks :smile:


The amount you see the tutors, and who you see, varies with the different parts of the course.
Within the first section you will be tutor led all day and will probably have a different teacher each day dependant on the activity you're doing. This has the exception of thursdays which were 'studio days' in which you led your own time. You also saw them in lectures and you can always pop into the office if you have any questions.

Within the second section you're assigned your own tutors depending on your chosen speciality. Then you start to have your own tutorials and seminars in which you will see your tutor. Your tutor gets an idea of your work and interests and stuff, which is good as they can help you with your personal statement and suggestions for universities.

Within stage 3, you can attend seminars if you wish (but you have to sign up to them and they aren't neccesarily to do with your chosen pathway) and you have at least one tutorial a week. You can also sign up to more tutorials or see any tutors at any time. You can book to see tutors or just ask them in the office. The amount you see the tutors in this stage is very dependant on how much you need them or ask for them, as it's your final project.

I had a very good relationship with the tutors, which I think always helps. I think it's very important to ask questions.

They were very helpful with suggesting universities and were always there to either talk to, phone or email. There is also a lady who is specifically there to help with all the writing elements of the course, like the essay and the catalogue at the end (and will help with your personal statement too.)

The tools you bring is very dependant on they type of work you do BUT I will say that I have never got through so many pencils and rubbers in my life as the first few weeks!! Bring a plastic portfolio that can fit a1 paper that you are prepared to bring in each day. Definitely buy a craft knife and a (small) cutting board! and graphite stick (but I'm sure they mention this in the equipment list.) ermmm.. you could bring a big thing of white wall paint.. I bought one at the beginning and it was really useful.. but I can't guarantee that you'll use it..
Oo and bring LOTS of masking tape and glue sticks!
I carried my art stuff in in a tool box everymorning, but I was one of the few doing this. I would reccomend it, but it's not really essential, it's just a suggestion. Though once again, its dependant on the stuff you're going to be doing.

If you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask!
Hope you have a brilliant time! :biggrin: and hope this was helpful

Reply 16

Original post by hdb2013
Hello,
Im a current student and I have a blog with some posts about interviewing and about the school etc... If you wanna have a look, any posts from November 2010 to present are mostly about CSM. www.heatherbroomhall.com.

I loved Foundation year at CSM and you do have more freedom at CSM but you will also get all the help you need. keep in mind it is art & design foundation and it truly is no matter what you are studying there. if you got into CSM then you should be quite proud because many many people are turned down. However with all that said, CSM isnt for everyone. But i do know for a fact that Uni's will offer csm foundation students interviews for BA's many times without all the pre-interview requirements. everyone i know from foundation year got into at least the top 3 colleges for whatever they applied for Ba year. so you might consider taking foundation at csm and then moving on to another college for BA.


Love your blog :biggrin:, where are you going next year?

Reply 17

Thank you! I hope it helps. Im going to CSM next year.

Reply 18

Original post by Sbuzz1
The amount you see the tutors, and who you see, varies with the different parts of the course.
Within the first section you will be tutor led all day and will probably have a different teacher each day dependant on the activity you're doing. This has the exception of thursdays which were 'studio days' in which you led your own time. You also saw them in lectures and you can always pop into the office if you have any questions.

Within the second section you're assigned your own tutors depending on your chosen speciality. Then you start to have your own tutorials and seminars in which you will see your tutor. Your tutor gets an idea of your work and interests and stuff, which is good as they can help you with your personal statement and suggestions for universities.

Within stage 3, you can attend seminars if you wish (but you have to sign up to them and they aren't neccesarily to do with your chosen pathway) and you have at least one tutorial a week. You can also sign up to more tutorials or see any tutors at any time. You can book to see tutors or just ask them in the office. The amount you see the tutors in this stage is very dependant on how much you need them or ask for them, as it's your final project.

I had a very good relationship with the tutors, which I think always helps. I think it's very important to ask questions.

They were very helpful with suggesting universities and were always there to either talk to, phone or email. There is also a lady who is specifically there to help with all the writing elements of the course, like the essay and the catalogue at the end (and will help with your personal statement too.)

The tools you bring is very dependant on they type of work you do BUT I will say that I have never got through so many pencils and rubbers in my life as the first few weeks!! Bring a plastic portfolio that can fit a1 paper that you are prepared to bring in each day. Definitely buy a craft knife and a (small) cutting board! and graphite stick (but I'm sure they mention this in the equipment list.) ermmm.. you could bring a big thing of white wall paint.. I bought one at the beginning and it was really useful.. but I can't guarantee that you'll use it..
Oo and bring LOTS of masking tape and glue sticks!
I carried my art stuff in in a tool box everymorning, but I was one of the few doing this. I would reccomend it, but it's not really essential, it's just a suggestion. Though once again, its dependant on the stuff you're going to be doing.

If you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask!
Hope you have a brilliant time! :biggrin: and hope this was helpful




Thank you SO SO much! This was extremely helpful!:biggrin: I'm so excited!.

Reply 19

Original post by hdb2013
Hello,
Im a current student and I have a blog with some posts about interviewing and about the school etc... If you wanna have a look, any posts from November 2010 to present are mostly about CSM. www.heatherbroomhall.com.



Hi - I really want to foundation at CSM but the foundation program and the whole of CSM was completely slated at a talk i went to at the V&A with some graphic designers from pentagram. I was rather shocked and slightly devastated at what past students in the 'audience' said. I was wondering if you could answer couple of my questions ...

What do you mean about csm not being for everyone ?

DO you think CSM just relies on reputation and that the tutors don't teach you anything - apparently they come in give you a 'brief' and go - no help what so ever. They dont know your name and just don't care? You aren't taught anything
(these are some of the things that were said)

Whats it like doing foundation with 700+ students ?

Thanks - Would be really grateful for some answers - me and the other foundation people who want to go to csm couldn't believe it. But apparently the networking is really good. Thanks :smile:

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