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ive had acne since i was 10, and although its got a lot better, its still bad :frown:

i used to have it all on my back and all down my chest, face and arms !!

but the 1's on my arms/back/chest have pretty much faded now bar the odd 1, but my face is still pretty annoying :frown:

im almost 22!
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I'm just going to copy and paste these from a fantastic blog I read, and leave the links as trying to explain it myself would be ALOT of writing.

One of the biggest concerns in the Clinic seems to be problems related to acne/bad spots and 'raised red bumps'. I have taken my time with this cheat sheet because of all the skin problems out there, this one causes the most upset/depression/stress and I don't take it lightly.

When I turned 40 a couple of years ago I experienced adult onset acne - along with food allergies. Out of nowhere. I mention this because it it is increasingly obvious that the same is happening to a lot of women. I had near-perfect skin for 40 years and then suddenly, a face full of red, angry cysts. My GP put me straight on anti-biotics and I, in my desperation, took them unquestioningly.

Once I realised that the acne was more than likely hormonal, here to stay and that the anti-biotics were doing me no favours, I decided to fix it myself. And I more or less have. The reason I am giving you so much background is because you need to do the same for your skin.

There is no magical 'cure' for acne. There are different types, yes, but no one-dose-fits-all cure. So do read the below - but bear in mind that acne is different for everyone. You may have one type - or 3 types.
You need to know your skin, your body, your state of mind, your 'system' inside out to truly see results.

I'm using this as a 'skeleton' to build on. I'm posting it in place of the Clinic so when you ask your questions - if the answers are something that will help others - I'll add them to the body of this Cheat Sheet. Make it interactive - but more importantly - get as broad a spectrum of questions and answers/tips that we can.

I'm not touching on scarring yet - I'm assuming that the people who are reading this have active acne - in which case you are a little limited in what you can do for bad scarring.

Types/causes of acne:

Hormones - just starting periods, just finishing periods, peri-menopause, menopause (all of them), for boys - raging androgen
Can cause over production of oil, slow shedding of dead skin cells, increases in the mount of androgen in your system - all creating the perfect breeding ground for acne


Bacteria - Propionibacterium Acnes is the bacteria that gives our friend its name - all it needs is the perfect environment to spread


Inflammation - illness, foods, stress - a system fighting illness is inflamed on its own, add medication and you are doubling your potential problems (not that that's your fault!), foods can cause inflammation (especially food allergies) and stress always causes inflammation - again, all breeding grounds for acne


Sensitivities - allergies, reactions to products, reactions to foods/environment


Looking at the above you may see where your skin fits in - and why anti-biotics just don't work for some people.

Myths and Old Wives Tales:
It seems that once something has been said in a glossy mag, heard on tv - or both - it becomes the Law. Sad but true. And not helpful to those of us with real problems that we want to fix!

Acne is caused by dirty skin. Not true. There is a massive difference between bacteria and dirt. Over-washing your face destroys the acid mantle that protects your skin, makes an alkaline environment, makes your acne worse and your skin a dry, dull, sore breeding ground.
You can 'dry up' spots. Not true. A spot is a mixture of oil, inflammation, bacteria and dead skin cells. No water in that list. All you are doing is drying the surrounding area in the hope that it will make the spot look smaller. What it actually does it put the spot on its own 'look at ME' platform.
You can use toothpaste or *braces self* nappy cream to spot-treat acne. I cannot EVEN.
A one-off spot may have its redness taken down - temporarily - by applying one of the above. If acne could be fixed by Oral-B or Sudocrem all of our problems would be solved. YAY! *jazz hands*

Dude. Stop putting toothpaste and bum cream on your face.

Things that may help:
Below are some of the things that have helped myself, friends, clients and readers of this blog. It is not a definitive list and is only suggestions. They may not work for you, they may work brilliantly - unfortunately there is no perfect recipe. If you are on serious medication speak to your consultant before supplementing.

Avoid mineral oils when cleansing. Natural oils are better for the skin. They just are. (See one exception later on in the list)
Avoid too much alcohol in products. A 'tingle' is ok. A 'burning' is not. Products where the main ingredient listed is alcohol will dry out the surface of your skin, destroy the acid mantle and make the perfect breeding ground. However: alcohol is sometimes a necessary evil for suspending things like glycolic acid in a solution - where they would normally not work as well.
(See Liquid Gold as an example - the glycolic benefits override the alcohol) It can be confusing but its a case-by-case basis.

Avoid soaps and foaming washes. These break down the acid mantle of your skin (think: armour) and make your skin a 10 on the 1-10 acid/alkaline scale. Remember litmus paper from science classes? Again - the perfect breeding ground.

Don't pick red cysts. A whitehead can be popped in the correct manner (see previous cheat sheets), a cyst is going nowhere and will always, always prevail if you battle it. And then it will scar. Just to teach you who is boss.
Don't completely strip your skin of oil and moisture. An acne skin that sticks solely to foaming cleansers and oil-free products is nearly always - always - reddened with inflammation and sensitivity. Thus making more work for yourself.

Treat your skin gently and with respect. You know what I mean. Abusing it with harsh products and getting angry with it - like it's a different person - will make it worse. Your skin belongs to you. Don't try and disown it when it needs you.

Cleanse with good quality oils and balm cleansers. There is absolutely no reason to avoid oil when you have acne. Again:
There is absolutely no reason to avoid oil in cleansing when you have acne. Mineral oil, avoid? YES. Good, light, naturally-derived oils, no. They don't clog pores, they nourish the skin you are now pledging to take care of and they do not break you out. Cheap, nasty, mineral oil used in heavy formulations may break you out when you are cleansing, not good oils. Check labels. Avoid paraffin, paraffin liquidum, mineral oil in ingredient listings.

Use topical exfoliants. Acids used topically help alleviate blocked pores, dead skin cells, trapped hair follicles and reduce your acid mantle to the lower end of the scale - usually around a 3/4 - which is in layman's terms, strengthening your first line of defence to the acne. Think glycolic and salicylic.
You can use products like benzoyl peroxide, found in spot treatments, to topically treat bad acne spots. It can penetrate the pore and kill off the bacteria specific to acne, but I prefer the acids in the step above. Sulfur is more commonly used, but in my experience, both can be drying to the skin in high %'s. Go easy.

Hydrate your skin and consider that it might need oil in places. You can have acne in areas and be really dry/dehydrated in others.
Consider supplementation. I have no doubt in my mind that consuming large quantities of fish oil has saved my face. And it's not just me. People I know have had the same response. It works for acne OR psoriasis and eczema - so if you have any of those - or all - I would definitely recommend. I take anything between 3000 and 9000mg a day depending on the day, my skin and circumstances. If you are vegetarian you can use flax - but fish is better. (Sorry!)

Avoid moisturisers with shea butter. Yes its natural but its harder than most oils for the skin to break down and thus tends to clogs pores and give you nice whiteheads.
Buy moisturisers with water as the main ingredient for day. You can use appropriate oils and balms at night.

A word on anti-biotics. If you are taking them and they haven't 'done anything' - something I hear a lot on the Clinic - stop taking them (in the appropriate manner). They are bad for your system, cause stomach problems and make you massively susceptible to severe sun damage. Why some GP's insist on giving out repeat prescriptions for skins that are not responding to them is beyond me. It's just lazy. If your acne is really bad - ask for a referral to a hospital consultant/specialist unit - but I do mean really bad - covering your entire face, possibly back, scalp, chest etc - a few hormonal spots once a month, while causing you to break out the heavy duty concealer - is not on a par with the suffering of people with the severest cases.

OK - first draft. Done. I know its just the tip of the iceberg and I'm happy to add your requested sections - just wanted to get it out there or it may never happen! Also - I will be monitoring comments carefully for spam - from randoms and brands pushing products - which I have been getting lot of lately - so please don't worry if your comment doesn't show up straight away. If you're genuine - it will!

First Update - Foods. I'll add foods. :smile:


http://www.beautymouth.com/2012/05/acne-cheat-sheet.html


These cheat sheets my also be helpful for anyone suffering with acne
http://www.beautymouth.com/2011/11/dry-or-dehydrated-cheat-sheet.html

http://www.beautymouth.com/2012/04/cheat-sheet-top-tips-for-great-skin.html

I swear that the help of this woman helped me work out my skin type, and how to care for it properly and it's made such a difference to my skin!

Good luck!
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Original post by Classical Liberal
I am guessing your diet is the cause. If you still have acne beyond puberty, then it is pretty dam likely you are doing something to cause it. The doctors always told me diet had nothing to do with my acne.

Recently I have been on a bit of a diet (you can read about half of it in the fitness section) and I noticed my bad acne was going away whilst doing this. However I just chalked this up to finally getting over acne (as the doctors always told me diet has nothing to with it). I then started to drink a lot of milk (to help with getting enough protien etc for weight lifting, you can clearly see it in my log) and my acne started to flare up really badly, I honestly did not like going outside it had gotten so bad so quickly. I then realised that milk might be causing my acne. I looked it up and found there was a lot of evidence to say milk can cause acne (due to all the hormones and the insulin hit it gives you). So I cut milk out of my diet. And I also tried to reduce the amount of carbs and sugars I consumed. And also started drinking huge amounts of water. I also try to eat at lot nuts, veggies and fruit. Now my skin has really improved, I honestly cannot remember my skin looking this good as I have had acne for such a long time I forgot what cleat skin actually look like. My skin is no longer oily. I do not get any bad spots (I still get little whiteheads but to me that is like having clear skin) and my skin looks much nicer now I do not put any god dammed acne products on my face.



Being a vegetarian will make no difference, infact unless you are a vegan it might make it worse because of the foods you may end up eating. Do you consume much diary? I know the drinking milk gives me pretty severe nodules (the ones that do not come to a head and are really sore). This is because milk has a lot of hormones in it that stimulate oil production which causes spots.

Also do you eat carby and sugary foods as the main parts of your diet. If you do this probably causes insulin spikes, which I am pretty sure cause you to produce more sebum and thus get spots.



Not going to do very much because acne is formed deep with in the skin. It is not really caused by dirt or whatever on your face.



Drink an absolute **** load of water. I am talking about at minimum 3 litres a day. Also cut out all diary. Also cut out drinking your calories. Try to reduce the amount of carbs you consume. Try to consume more veggies.


I agree with you. A lot of cases acne is related to diet. Not all, but a lot.

A few years ago the Doctor told me my acne isn't related to diet when clearly from my experience it was no doubt related. It's more likely an area that isn't researched properly so they just tell you the (lack of) research behind it all.

Search about leaky gut syndrome relating to acne, which will explain how a bad diet can lead to it. Interesting stuff and makes sense based on how it was for me.

A thing that helped me is to cut out processed foods or foods that have bad sugars (obvious stuff). I think I was sensitive to carbs.

Also a low calorie diet helps, but I don't recommend that.
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If you have acne that isn't related puberty then most likely your internal health SUCKS.

I changed eating habits for good and my acne went along with it. It's a lifestyle change though, not a healthy eating spree for a month.

It's been a while but I'd say my internal health is good now, meaning that eating badly every now and then doesn't really affect me, because my body can keep on top of it all. That wouldn't have been the case if I ate badly ages ago though.
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Original post by TooEasy123
If you have acne that isn't related puberty then most likely your internal health SUCKS.

I changed eating habits for good and my acne went along with it. It's a lifestyle change though, not a healthy eating spree for a month.

It's been a while but I'd say my internal health is good now, meaning that eating badly every now and then doesn't really affect me, because my body can keep on top of it all. That wouldn't have been the case if I ate badly ages ago though.


What did you do to improve your internal health?
I know people have said stuff like "not all" and can be "related to puberty" but I still resent the accusation (which is what I would call it), that acne is caused by diet.

From my own observations at least, I have seen no association between diet and acne (where acne is simplified to an on/off thing). I'm not talking just one or two friends whose diet is terrible but don't have acne, or visa versa - but no association across the board whatsoever.

I'd say many people not only eat appalingly but drink like fishes too, and do they all have noticeable acne? No, a minority of them have acne (sort of you know, as you'd expect at random).

How many people who eat well have acne? Still a minority, but no smaller proportion than those who have an extremely poor diet.

I know one poor kid who throughout secondary school/college had the most awful disfiguring acne, which was eventually thwarted only with roaccutane - his family eat a traditional japanese diet. You know, the one that's meant to be so much healthier than ours? Vegetables and fish and soy-based products.

I've had mild/moderate acne throughout my teens and not only do I eat pretty well (honest to god I eat better than most), it's more than that - even when going through periods of poorer eating, poorer lifestyle, I have noticed no change in my skin.

The only things which have affected it's baseline level (eg: can be controlled a little better with careful washing/ degreasing) are the passage of time and hormonal contraceptives.

My brother has never suffered with any degree of acne, and his idea of a healthy meal is baked beans with his jacket potato and cheese.

Maybe some people can improve their acne with dietary changes, who am I to say they haven't - but I don't think its fair to imply diet as a cause for acne. (Maybe noone here really has tbf, I'm not singling anyone here out, it just seems to be a popular opinion). Some people are just prone to it, and others will never get it.

Admitted, the research isn't top quality (not RCTs), but the reason your doctor won't tell you acne is caused or controllable by diet is because it doesn't strongly seem to be the case, as going by the evidence. If it is a factor, it's no where near as important as other non-controllable factors, pretty much related to luck of the draw, puberty and whether or not you're taking roaccutance or smearing antibiotics all over your face - evidence based treatments.

I've run out of puff and really not wrapped this up at all but I can't be bothered so bla
Original post by Anonymous
I know people have said stuff like "not all" and can be "related to puberty" but I still resent the accusation (which is what I would call it), that acne is caused by diet.

From my own observations at least, I have seen no association between diet and acne (where acne is simplified to an on/off thing). I'm not talking just one or two friends whose diet is terrible but don't have acne, or visa versa - but no association across the board whatsoever.

I'd say many people not only eat appalingly but drink like fishes too, and do they all have noticeable acne? No, a minority of them have acne (sort of you know, as you'd expect at random).

How many people who eat well have acne? Still a minority, but no smaller proportion than those who have an extremely poor diet.

I know one poor kid who throughout secondary school/college had the most awful disfiguring acne, which was eventually thwarted only with roaccutane - his family eat a traditional japanese diet. You know, the one that's meant to be so much healthier than ours? Vegetables and fish and soy-based products.

I've had mild/moderate acne throughout my teens and not only do I eat pretty well (honest to god I eat better than most), it's more than that - even when going through periods of poorer eating, poorer lifestyle, I have noticed no change in my skin.

The only things which have affected it's baseline level (eg: can be controlled a little better with careful washing/ degreasing) are the passage of time and hormonal contraceptives.

My brother has never suffered with any degree of acne, and his idea of a healthy meal is baked beans with his jacket potato and cheese.

Maybe some people can improve their acne with dietary changes, who am I to say they haven't - but I don't think its fair to imply diet as a cause for acne. (Maybe noone here really has tbf, I'm not singling anyone here out, it just seems to be a popular opinion). Some people are just prone to it, and others will never get it.

Admitted, the research isn't top quality (not RCTs), but the reason your doctor won't tell you acne is caused or controllable by diet is because it doesn't strongly seem to be the case, as going by the evidence. If it is a factor, it's no where near as important as other non-controllable factors, pretty much related to luck of the draw, puberty and whether or not you're taking roaccutance or smearing antibiotics all over your face - evidence based treatments.

I've run out of puff and really not wrapped this up at all but I can't be bothered so bla


You're missing the point.

Not all people will have diet related acne but some do. If you don't then you won't get acne if you eat badly. For some, that's the case though. Some are more susceptible to it than others. Some people's internal health and digestive system may be stronger.

It was definitely diet for me, no doubt about it. I have no reason to lie.

Besides, promoting a good diet can only be a good thing, whether it helps with what you look like externally or not.
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Original post by TooEasy123
You're missing the point.

Not all people will have diet related acne but some do. If you don't then you won't get acne if you eat badly. For some, that's the case though. Some are more susceptible to it than others. Some people's internal health and digestive system may be stronger.

It was definitely diet for me, no doubt about it. I have no reason to lie.


Fair enough, I can't deny it. I'm all out of rant points anyway, I just wanted to make that argument :tongue: Tbf it wasn't really warranted by anything anyone specifically said.
Original post by Anonymous
I know people have said stuff like "not all" and can be "related to puberty" but I still resent the accusation (which is what I would call it), that acne is caused by diet.


Deal with it :cool:


From my own observations at least, I have seen no association between diet and acne (where acne is simplified to an on/off thing). I'm not talking just one or two friends whose diet is terrible but don't have acne, or visa versa - but no association across the board whatsoever.


Obviously some people have more of a propensity towards acne than others. But fundamentally in most cases you can probably cure acne by having a really good diet.


I've had mild/moderate acne throughout my teens and not only do I eat pretty well (honest to god I eat better than most), it's more than that - even when going through periods of poorer eating, poorer lifestyle, I have noticed no change in my skin.


I suspect most people think they have good diets if they are not fat. However the truth of the matter is that most people, even those with descent BMI, have poor diets. They do not drink enough water. They do not eat enough veggies. They eat wayy to many carbs. They do not eat enough fibre. They drink too many of their calories. They eat a lot of food that has been manipulated and covered in what are essentially weak poisons.

This is a product of Western food production. We are phenominally good at producing arable crops and sugar. We can produce bread, pasta, rice, orange juice very well compared to things like fruits and nuts. This means western diets have an in built bias towards eating more carbs and sugars than primitive man would have possibly been able to consume. We simply were not designed (through evolution) to eat so much in the way of carbs and sugars. And one of the side effects of this diet is bad skin because the digestive system simply cannot hand it, produces way too many hormones, this stimulates sebum production and bam you have got acne.

Honestly, I bet you do not have a good diet (you even half admit it when you say you eat better than most, well ****ing done you eat better than the average Westerner). You say you do, but you probably don't. You should really record your diet and see what you are actually consuming.

My brother has never suffered with any degree of acne, and his idea of a healthy meal is baked beans with his jacket potato and cheese.


Obviously some people are more prone to acne than others. But that is not to say you cannot cure acne with good diet. If you have a propensity towards acne, well tuff tities. Anyway in the long run you will be much healthier and look younger if you stick to a genuinely good diet.

Maybe some people can improve their acne with dietary changes, who am I to say they haven't - but I don't think its fair to imply diet as a cause for acne. (Maybe noone here really has tbf, I'm not singling anyone here out, it just seems to be a popular opinion). Some people are just prone to it, and others will never get it.


Duhhhhh this much is obvious. As a test how about you drink 2.5 pints of milk everyday for two weeks. See if your acne gets bad.......

Admitted, the research isn't top quality (not RCTs), but the reason your doctor won't tell you acne is caused or controllable by diet is because it doesn't strongly seem to be the case,


No. It is because there is no incentive for anybody to actually methodically go and prove that diet can cure acne. Pharmatcutical companies that sell Benzoly Peroxide (I like to call it the aging treatment) are not going to like it if teenages suddenly stop buying their crap because the teens cleaned up their diets.

If it is a factor, it's no where near as important as other non-controllable factors, pretty much related to luck of the draw,


That is not an argument to just do nothing. A lot of people in my family have had bowel cancer, there is a pretty good chance I might get it. Bad luck ehh. Does that mean I should just sit on hands and behave like everybody else or should I do something to prevent bowel cancer or check for it to catch it early?


whether or not you're taking roaccutance or smearing antibiotics all over your face - evidence based treatments.


Go for it. Drug yourself up (the antibiotics probably make you more vulnerable to acne because they kill off the good bacteria in you stomach, which do some of the work to clear out the crap you consume) and cover your face in stuff that will age you super quick. I work with quite a few graduates and I can tell who had acne and used products on their face, by how old they look.

On the other hand, you could just change yourself lifestyle so that you will be healthier generally and stop the fundamental cause of acne, rather than trying to cover up the consequences.

Atleast give it a real try for a few months.


The only other things I think that are actually good for your skin is going in a steam room, I am pretty convinced this can unplug pores, so whilst it does not stop excess oil production it can stop black heads and white heads forming. And using a lemon and sugar scrub just to clear up imperfections from old acne and to make your skin nice. And that freederm gel that actually do a very good job of reducing inflamation quickly. And sunlight, all over your body to stimulate vitamin D production (not sure about this one though).
Original post by Classical Liberal
Deal with it :cool:



Obviously some people have more of a propensity towards acne than others. But fundamentally in most cases you can probably cure acne by having a really good diet.




I suspect most people think they have good diets if they are not fat. However the truth of the matter is that most people, even those with descent BMI, have poor diets. They do not drink enough water. They do not eat enough veggies. They eat wayy to many carbs. They do not eat enough fibre. They drink too many of their calories. They eat a lot of food that has been manipulated and covered in what are essentially weak poisons.

This is a product of Western food production. We are phenominally good at producing arable crops and sugar. We can produce bread, pasta, rice, orange juice very well compared to things like fruits and nuts. This means western diets have an in built bias towards eating more carbs and sugars than primitive man would have possibly been able to consume. We simply were not designed (through evolution) to eat so much in the way of carbs and sugars. And one of the side effects of this diet is bad skin because the digestive system simply cannot hand it, produces way too many hormones, this stimulates sebum production and bam you have got acne.


Honestly, I bet you do not have a good diet (you even half admit it when you say you eat better than most, well ****ing done you eat better than the average Westerner). You say you do, but you probably don't. You should really record your diet and see what you are actually consuming.



Obviously some people are more prone to acne than others. But that is not to say you cannot cure acne with good diet. If you have a propensity towards acne, well tuff tities. Anyway in the long run you will be much healthier and look younger if you stick to a genuinely good diet.



Duhhhhh this much is obvious. As a test how about you drink 2.5 pints of milk everyday for two weeks. See if your acne gets bad.......



No. It is because there is no incentive for anybody to actually methodically go and prove that diet can cure acne. Pharmatcutical companies that sell Benzoly Peroxide (I like to call it the aging treatment) are not going to like it if teenages suddenly stop buying their crap because the teens cleaned up their diets.



That is not an argument to just do nothing. A lot of people in my family have had bowel cancer, there is a pretty good chance I might get it. Bad luck ehh. Does that mean I should just sit on hands and behave like everybody else or should I do something to prevent bowel cancer or check for it to catch it early?



Go for it. Drug yourself up (the antibiotics probably make you more vulnerable to acne because they kill off the good bacteria in you stomach, which do some of the work to clear out the crap you consume) and cover your face in stuff that will age you super quick. I work with quite a few graduates and I can tell who had acne and used products on their face, by how old they look.

On the other hand, you could just change yourself lifestyle so that you will be healthier generally and stop the fundamental cause of acne, rather than trying to cover up the consequences.

Atleast give it a real try for a few months.


The only other things I think that are actually good for your skin is going in a steam room, I am pretty convinced this can unplug pores, so whilst it does not stop excess oil production it can stop black heads and white heads forming. And using a lemon and sugar scrub just to clear up imperfections from old acne and to make your skin nice. And that freederm gel that actually do a very good job of reducing inflamation quickly. And sunlight, all over your body to stimulate vitamin D production (not sure about this one though).


This

And well said.
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Original post by Classical Liberal
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Okay, your horrible attitude is what my rant was directed at.

Is this laying it pretty straight: I have to (and do actually, if you say so) believe you when you tell me that diet has improved your acne - fair enough. But then you have the propensity/ are allowed to tell me that my diet must be poor, I must be to blame for my acne... This is the whole attitude I hate and resent.

I'll tell you how I know my diet is so good - my mum has been told that she is prone to bowel cancer and had a colonoscopy to investigate it when I was a kid.

Not that we ever ate unhealthily, but since then our family literally eat to a regimen where there is enough fruit, veg and fibre in our diets. We eat red meat only on extremely rare occassions, we don't eat processed foods, we don't eat excessive amounts of dairy. We eat fish two or more times a week, including oily fish. We eat vegatarian meals more often than we eat meat. We eat wholegrain only. Etc etc. This is how I was raised, and I continue to eat these sorts of foods today. I don't know a person at uni who eats better than me. So I was being modest when I said I eat better than most. I could not improve my diet without becoming weirdly obsessed. I'm also pretty much teetotal. I'm so damn healthy, I don't even like to mention it because people actually judge me for it.

So.. don't tell me how to change my diet, because I probably eat better than you do.

I still have acne. It's not my fault. It began when I was around 13. I didn't even wear makeup when it began. I was an ordinary healthy kid. Nothing about my lifestyle has changed significantly since then (except woah, growing older and taking hormonal contraceptives!), but now its finally starting to go away. Sometimes I stay at my bf's, who eats like crap compared to me and incidentally doesn't get acne. I eat like crap when I'm with him, it doesn't make my acne worse.

Picture forming? Or you want to rigidly stick to some quack about changing my diet because it makes you feel smug?

Even if acne is related to diet (in some people), which it may be, I concede that - the picture as according to the evidence is one of hormonal and genetic factors being pretty important in the development of acne. Ie: just bad luck. Diet certainly doesn't have any relation to my acne (or that of my Japanese friend whom I noticed you ignored completely), or within my observations, of anyone I know who does/doesn't have acne). Just being male for example, makes for way more acne-prone skin, that's why acne is actually a symptom of anabolic steroid abuse.


And I thought I was out of rant points...
Hell I am willing to accept that acne may be partially my own fault even! I never bothered to go to the GP (except when really bad), to get medications, I could have done that more.. maybe I rest my hands on my face too much, maybe I don't go out into the sun enough.. maybe I should never wear makeup (even though I began wearing it to cover up acne), maybe if I were less stressed?? I don't know. At the same time, lots of people live just the same/as worse than me and don't have acne.

But I categorically know that I have a healthier diet than most (dammit practically all) people without acne.. therefore my diet is hardly responsible.

I don't even have terrible acne. It's mild/moderate! I just have enough of it that I feel really damn sorry for people who have it worse than me, and I hate the idea of them being blamed from that - when from everything I can see they are probably (for the most part), just damn unlucky. And that's what the evidence currently says too. Bad luck is the biggest factor.

I think of this Japanese kid, whose acne literally ruined his time at school, and his family's diet is just as healthy as mine. You couldn't accuse him of being a product of "Western food production" seeing as his family don't consume western food. He is however, half caucasian.. and guess what.. his caucasian mum suffered with acne so its not hard to see how it happened.
Original post by Anonymous

Is this laying it pretty straight: I have to (and do actually, if you say so) believe you when you tell me that diet has improved your acne - fair enough. But then you have the propensity/ are allowed to tell me that my diet must be poor, I must be to blame for my acne... This is the whole attitude I hate and resent.


Ever heard of something called Bayesian Inference?

Obviously I do not know what your diet actually is. However you have told me that you have acne, which immediately raises the probability your diet is less than ideal (because most acne could probably be cured through a better diet), and I can also assume you are a Westerner and thus probably have a Western diet, raising the probability that your diet is less than ideal, you have had acne past puberty, raising the probability your diet is less than ideal, and then you say your diet is "better than most", which again raises the probability that your diet is less than ideal.

With the information you have given to me, it is a fairly reasonable conclusion to draw that there is a high probability you do not have an ideal diet. You say you do, sorry :frown:


Picture forming? Or you want to rigidly stick to some quack about changing my diet because it makes you feel smug?


No, because you have given me more information so I can update my apriori beliefs.

Even if acne is related to diet (in some people), which it may be, I concede that - the picture as according to the evidence is one of hormonal and genetic factors being pretty important in the development of acne. Ie: just bad luck. Diet certainly doesn't have any relation to my acne (or that of my Japanese friend whom I noticed you ignored completely), or within my observations, of anyone I know who does/doesn't have acne). Just being male for example, makes for way more acne-prone skin, that's why acne is actually a symptom of anabolic steroid abuse.


Acne is basically caused by hormonal imbalances, which steroids deliberately cause, which leads to excess sebum production and thus blocked pores. For most people the hormonal imbalances are caused naturally by puberty. However hormonal imbalances beyond puberty are usually caused or can be corrected by changing consumption. For most people changing diet will probably do the trick. For others are more drastic form of hormone manipulate helps, such as taking the pill.
Original post by Classical Liberal
Ever heard of something called Bayesian Inference?

Obviously I do not know what your diet actually is. However you have told me that you have acne, which immediately raises the probability your diet is less than ideal (because most acne could probably be cured through a better diet), and I can also assume you are a Westerner and thus probably have a Western diet, raising the probability that your diet is less than ideal, you have had acne past puberty, raising the probability your diet is less than ideal, and then you say your diet is "better than most", which again raises the probability that your diet is less than ideal.

With the information you have given to me, it is a fairly reasonable conclusion to draw that there is a high probability you do not have an ideal diet. You say you do, sorry :frown:



No, because you have given me more information so I can update my apriori beliefs.


Okay, I was mean. Now I feel bad. I'm probably (okay I am) just being super defensive.

It's not wrong of you to offer advice on diet, it's probably rather nice of you because you are just trying to help.. I just really feel that people with acne are largely victims to it, and whilst diet may be involved (even probably is involved), someone (here I insert myself) should always be there, to righteously point out that some acne sufferers are the pinnacle of healthy living and should not be judged otherwise!

*cinematic music*


Okay, peace now? :tongue:
Original post by Anonymous

Okay, peace now? :tongue:


Didn't know it was war :biggrin:
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Rub your face with a sexually mature bullfrog on the third Friday in February; that's all that works.
Original post by NR09
Rub your face with a sexually mature bullfrog on the third Friday in February; that's all that works.

okay we are gonna need to borrow your mum
Original post by Miracle Day
Proactiv is awesome for it


This.
Original post by Anonymous
Or you want to rigidly stick to some quack about changing my diet because it makes you feel smug?

Even if acne is related to diet (in some people), which it may be, I concede that


"may be" related to diet - It's actually very annoying that you say that ("may be"), because I know for sure it was diet related for me. Same with Classic Liberal and plenty of others. It's actually an insult, implying that I'm deluded and imagining it all to being diet related when in reality it wasn't.

No one here has said or implied your diet sucks and is the reason for your acne. We (me and Classic Liberal) have said that it is diet related FOR SOME PEOPLE.

Btw, a lot of fruit may cause acne if you consume too much or too much in a row, despite it being a good diet for preventing cancer or diseases.
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Original post by TooEasy123
"may be" related to diet - It's actually very annoying that you say that ("may be"), because I know for sure it was diet related for me. Same with Classic Liberal and plenty of others. It's actually an insult, implying that I'm deluded and imagining it all to being diet related when in reality it wasn't.


Apologies. Poor wording, did not mean to imply this or undermine others personal experience.

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